Tick-Saving Stop Losses

[b-squared 10]

A stop that is not entered cannot be hit. Those nine words, while absolutely true, cost me a mountain of money back when I was a rosy-cheeked youngster who was about to set the trading world on fire and rip the market a new one. After numerous painful 'setbacks' - to put it diplomatically - I discovered another, much more profitable truth: taking small losses is the cost of doing business in the world of professional trading.

 

I know what you're thinking: another 'cut losses short and let winners run' article...thanks Captain Obvious. I concur; money management and preservation of capital are the most boring topics in the trading universe. So I'll assume that anyone reading past this point uses stop loss orders and is mainly interested in how to optimize them.

 

First, a quick clarification. The stops I'm discussing aren't the ones that some traders enter before a new trade is filled 'just in case'...just in case the power goes out or the internet/computer goes down before they can get their initial stop order in. I'm strictly speaking of initial and trailing stops and the most profitable spots to place them using price bars. The initial stop loss is entered as soon as you're executed on a new trade. If the trade goes against you, you're stopped out at that price and it's on to the next set up. If the trade works in your favor, the intial stop becomes a trailing stop and the price is moved along to protect profits.

 

Bars, Swings and Trends

 

If successive bars are making higher highs and higher lows, that's an upswing.

If successive bars are making lower highs and lower lows, that's a downswing.

 

When successive swings are compared, if they are in a pattern of higher highs and higher lows (or lower highs and lower lows), that is deemed an uptrend (downtrend).

 

With those definitions out of the way, using price bars to set stops is pretty simple.

 

In an uptrend, the market is making higher swing highs and higher swing lows. Within the upswings, the individual price bars themselves are typically up bars. The idea is to set the stop loss order under the lows of the up bars in an upswing, because if the pattern of up bars is broken, it's not going up any more.

 

In a downtrend, the market is making lower swing highs and lower swing lows. Within the downswings, the individual price bars are typically down bars. The idea here is to set the stop loss order above the highs of the down bars in a downswing, for if the pattern of down bars is broken, it's not going down any more.

 

Dropping Down

 

 

Finally, we get to the part about saving ticks and increasing profits. Setting the initial stop order can't really be tweaked all that much. I hate to be the one to tell you, but you're always going to have a small percentage of your trades get stopped out by a tick or two and then reverse and go to target without you. It's one of those cost of doing business things and it's inescapable. You just have to set the initial stop order as illustrated above and take what comes.The good news is that once the position moves into profitability, there are tricks of the trade, so to speak, that will add to the bottom line.

 

Dropping down to the next smallest time frame on your chart instantly increases profits by getting you out of your winning trades without leaving as much on the table. If you're trading off the 1 hour chart, click it down to 30-minutes. If you're a 5-minute bar player, down to 3-minute, and so on. The pattern of higher or lower swings will be broken sooner on the smaller time frame and save you a few ticks in getting out. This also allows you to ignore inside bars as far as moving your stop, without increasing your risk.

 

Expanded Range

 

I'd be remiss if I didn't touch on my experience with expanded range bars as they pertain to stops. Using whatever measure you'd like; be it an indicator like ATR (Average True Range) or a ruler held up to your screen; when you are in the midst of a profitable trade and trailing your stop along and a bar starts forming that is significantly larger than normal, tighten that stop. This is usually a sign that the move in your direction is over, at least temporarily, and you might as well take all you can rather than letting it come all the way back to your stop. You can always get back in.

[Vince50 10]

I agree very much that when a bar of abnormal size appears, it sure is time to think about taking profits, as b-squared is right, you CAN always get back in. But...will you!? It is very easy to want to bank the cash and not want to risk another penny of it. You must know yourself. One tends to fall into one of two camps- You either take profit too early, or take profits and losses too late. So, if you know you wont get back in when the trend continues, then perhaps it is best to tighten that stop loss. But this is not free money. Tightening your stop loss too much is almost a sure way to THROW AWAY money. Do you really think a 6-8 pip stop is going to hold? It means you think with the exception of the tiniest pullback, it is going straight up. Of course I am mainly speaking about your larger time frames such as 4 hr and daily in particular.

 

Now for me personally, cutting my time frame to narrow my stop losses have cost me more money than Breakstone has butter. No matter what system I am using it just winds up costing me, and big by the time the trend is truly over. That is the beauty of taking the time to keep journals and do both back and forward testing!

 

And yes, I can say with the surety of someone trading for 15 years and sometimes trying so many ideas in my head, I would get myself confused! But if I were asked to give one rule I would stake my career on, it is this: If you do not see BOTH higher highs "and " higher lows on your chart you are not in an up trend. period. Same in reverse for shorts. I have saved myself more money by staying out of trades that had both a higher high and also a lower low,than anything else on earth! I dont care if you use moving averages, Fibonacci work or dart throwing. This you can bet on. Getting into a trade without a higher high and a higher low both being present, is just gambling...no matter what the indicators are telling you.

[MightyMouse 12]

The method isn't as important as the message. Cutting losses and admitting you are wrong is one of the most important parts of trading. If you enter trades that have a large enough profit potential, if you get out prematurely because of a stop, then there should be plenty room to get back in even if it is at a worse price. Another important part of trading is to only take trades that have a decent profit potential. Trading for trading sake is for the degenerate gambler. There are certainly more parts, but these 2 are pretty important and not easily grasped.

[b-squared 10]

Here is what's going through my mind as I enter a stop order:

"this is the price where the market is not acting as I thought it would and I must get out and re-assess" (initial stop)

"this is the price where the risk outweighs the potential increase in profit if I stay in" (trailing stop)

[MightyMouse 12]

  b-squared said:

Here is what's going through my mind as I enter a stop order:

"this is the price where the market is not acting as I thought it would and I must get out and re-assess" (initial stop)

"this is the price where the risk outweighs the potential increase in profit if I stay in" (trailing stop)

 

Yes, something like that; plus, G^& F^&**((^& D^&&*& it! I hate trading!

[b-squared 10]

 

Hard way to make an easy living.

 

Trading: It's simple, but it ain't easy.