To Arm or to Disarm.

[smmatrix 11]

The purpose of the Constitution is not to arm whacked out freaks with firearms.

 

When the time comes to rise up against your government, all sorts of weapons and explosives will be available to those willing to take part in the cause.

 

Don't be concerned if laws are passed to help reduce some of the needless violence. If you are responsible and not a whack job you will be just fine.

 

[smmatrix 11]

Those for Gun Control:

 

[SunTrader 10]

...... If you are responsible and not a whack job you will be just fine.

 

I think the large, blaring font and wingnut replies answers that question. Wonder if his preference is for girly men in pink, frilly panties too like patuey.

[zdo 20]

We’ve had some posters (in the last 90 pages or so ) who find it easy to reject out of hand 2nd amendment arguments in this situation. … their primary arguments are idealist variations of “wouldn’t it be better if ?” … to them, 2nd amendment arguments are distractions in the To Arm or To Disarm debate.

 

Do these people have exceptional trust in government? Are they not at all threatened by trends of the ptb, of trends in society, of trends in ‘civilian deaths’ in wars, etc. Do they think they have nothing to fear… that all is well, we won’t have any SHTF… or that they might be “just lucky I guess” when and if the SdidHTF… etc etc.

… ie it is seamless for them to denigrate or redirect any arguments that guns should not be banned because of liberty or mistrust of govt.

 

These posters are intelligent, metro people. They are ahead of the curve. They understand how there’s no need for “fear” and alarmism… They know things you don’t know. This link will help you stupid gun nuts to understand what they understand.

Articles: Good News: You May Be Spared Execution

[smmatrix 11]

Deaths in 2011 - What Is The Cause?

 

[smmatrix 11]

A very good "satire" article in today's newspaper:

 

 

[SIUYA 11]

We’ve had some posters (in the last 90 pages or so ) who find it easy to reject out of hand 2nd amendment arguments in this situation. … their primary arguments are idealist variations of “wouldn’t it be better if ?” … to them, 2nd amendment arguments are distractions in the To Arm or To Disarm debate.

 

Do these people have exceptional trust in government? Are they not at all threatened by trends of the ptb, of trends in society, of trends in ‘civilian deaths’ in wars, etc. Do they think they have nothing to fear… that all is well, we won’t have any SHTF… or that they might be “just lucky I guess” when and if the SdidHTF… etc etc.

… ie it is seamless for them to denigrate or redirect any arguments that guns should not be banned because of liberty or mistrust of govt.

 

These posters are intelligent, metro people. They are ahead of the curve. They understand how there’s no need for “fear” and alarmism… They know things you don’t know. This link will help you stupid gun nuts to understand what they understand.

Articles: Good News: You May Be Spared Execution

 

Question.....Is this is the ultimate defense of those who dont agree with you or dont share your same fears, or even if they do have a different strategy or take on it than you do.?....... that you are clearly a brainwashed sheep/communist.

 

if the crux of the argument is about government, control and power v individual rights then let that debate occur. Properly.

 

It can also be carried out by those who really want change arguing for real change - lets go for the anarchist model - and not some other bastardised variation that involves substituting one set of moral codes for another......or is it wrong to prefer a what if, non violent society?

 

That debate can also be carried out without guns, violence, fear of homosexuals, those who disagree, women, muslims or any others........or do you propose that as opposed to the communists killing of those who disagree with them, its those who disagree with them killing of the communists?

collective maya occurs in many forms.

 

I would suggest that many fear that those so vehemently opposed to the government want to implement their own set of rules in their own sheepish ways.

 

fuel for fire.

[SIUYA 11]

Deaths in 2011 - What Is The Cause?

 

 

 

so you oppose bans on drink drivers, poor medical practices and such?

or are you just opposed to anything Obama does and trying to link everything together?

 

 

Zdo - even the 'enlightend' ones are often not enlightened enough

You at least make a rational case for being prepared if the SHTF, even if people might not agree with you

[smmatrix 11]

so you oppose bans on drink drivers, poor medical practices and such?

or are you just opposed to anything Obama does and trying to link everything together?

 

 

Zdo - even the 'enlightend' ones are often not enlightened enough

You at least make a rational case for being prepared if the SHTF, even if people might not agree with you

 

 

Lighten up man! Oh mighty King Obama!

 

Have a laugh...

 

[SunTrader 10]

Funny how 195,000 died from medical malpractice and Obamacare gets mentioned when it has yet to be implemented.

 

They did retroactively I suppose.

 

He probably caused the deaths from all previous wars and auto accidents too. :haha:

[SIUYA 11]

Smmatrix - i am plenty light except in the weight department (Christmas was a cruel but tasty mistress)....I thought we were getting in trouble by Zdo for not taking it (ie; the end of the world) seriously enough!

 

Cant win if you go long or short it seems.

 

My point is though - there seems to be a lot of one sided government haters if you get my drift. Too often you wonder what else they hate, and what else they want to change....are you swapping one bad for another bad.

Is it the restriction of abuse of government power, or abolition of the government.....or do you just want a government that fits a certain criteria - even if you might be the minority to then impose your beliefs on others - the very thing you might fear.

 

Thats the point of a discussion.

 

I did like the picture of the Michelin man. thanks.

[MightyMouse 12]

Deaths in 2011 - What Is The Cause?

 

 

Are you ok with medicare cuts?

[smmatrix 11]

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[zdo 20]

Question.....Is this is the ultimate defense of those who dont agree with you or dont share your same fears, or even if they do have a different strategy or take on it than you do.?....... that you are clearly a brainwashed sheep/communist.

 

if the crux of the argument is about government, control and power v individual rights then let that debate occur. Properly.

 

It can also be carried out by those who really want change arguing for real change - lets go for the anarchist model - and not some other bastardised variation that involves substituting one set of moral codes for another......or is it wrong to prefer a what if, non violent society?

 

...

 

I would suggest that many fear that those so vehemently opposed to the government want to implement their own set of rules in their own sheepish ways.

 

fuel for fire.

 

SIUYA,

 

I don’t really know what the “crux” of this argument is.

 

It does include ‘collective vs individual’,etc. elements which I have attempted to take account of in some of my posts – in increasingly cycnically, disrespectfully, satirically fashion though.

ie I’m really not trying to convince anyone or change anyone’s mind on this…

If you believe in ‘doable anarchy’, then you do.

If you don’t believe ‘doable anarchy’ is possible, I understand and am making no attempt to change your mind...

It may help you to paint me in your post as someone who thinks I know what is best for others… but, fwiw, I don’t really live my life that way... (and good grief I would also assert that my 'way' has a slightly , by millions and millions of souls, better historical record of tolerance and of not killing 'communists' than statists have of killing 'non communists' ... )

 

Realistically, we live on a violent planet. And unfortunately violence and repression and ‘darkness’ is still increasingly at this time. Even the ‘developed’ societies are far far less 'sustainable' and stable than they appear. Practically, making guns less legal / available is an ‘allopathic’ solution to the types of ‘flag’ incidents that triggered this debate and thread. To Disarm is a very ineffective ‘solution’- except for those among us who need ‘authority’ to do something/anything to help their emotions to settle…

 

Via a quote of Tolle that I posted many pages back , I made my main point that no external changes toward the ideals we would “prefer”, like “non violent societies”, or functional national ‘centralization’, etc, etc, etc. are really sustainable without an authentic quorum of internal “awakening of awareness” first…

our ‘arguments’ about who and how To Disarm are thus pointless…

 

you go ahead and help “fuel the fire” . but, realistically, there are too many ‘hidden pink panties’ in here to do any of this debate “properly”.:rofl:

 

zdo

 

 

 

Further reading:

...from

Where Does The Hatred Of Constitutionalism Come From?

 

Collectivists understand one thing very clearly; an America without the Constitution is destined to become a centralized country.

 

They will, of course, claim this is a gross exaggeration. They will claim that this time will be different. That the collectivist experiments of the past, which produced nothing but destruction and genocide of their own populations, are nothing similar to what they are espousing. They will pretend as if their vision is new, progressive, and far more practical than the vision of the Founding Fathers. In the end though, all they are promoting is a system as old as history; the feudal kingdom. The mercantile oligarchy. The militarized state.

 

Note: even though this was probably written in the last few days, it is definitely already ‘dated’ … this country (and most countries) are already “centralized” past point of ‘normal’ / politically directed rebalancing… example…Amid Federal Land Grab in Brazil, Whole Towns Evicted at Gunpoint - BlackListedNews.com etc etc

 

… and to those leaning ‘progressive’ among us, don't waste your time attempting to tightly bind me to the present ‘constitution’. I personally think it’s time for another ‘revolution’ and constitutional convention… correcting the vulnerabilities in the present one to the ‘statism’ that is still ascending…the ‘left’ and ‘right’, 'progressives' and 'conservatives' , (label and olabels) etc. are engineered, false dichotomies and are equally guilty in hypocrisy, betrayal, and exploitation of ‘useful idiots’ and …

 

 

... and since no one has made any To Arm posts yet

It’s disappointing, but not unexpected, to witness another intellectual mob calling for prohibition of the one tool that holds tyranny at bay.

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[SIUYA 11]

SIUYA,

 

I don’t really know what the “crux” of this argument is.

 

It does include ‘collective vs individual’,etc. elements which I have attempted to take account of in some of my posts – in increasingly cycnically, disrespectfully, satirically fashion though.

ie I’m really not trying to convince anyone or change anyone’s mind on this…

If you believe in ‘doable anarchy’, then you do.

If you don’t believe ‘doable anarchy’ is possible, I understand and am making no attempt to change your mind...

It may help you to paint me in your post as someone who thinks I know what is best for others… but, fwiw, I don’t really live my life that way... (and good grief I would also assert that my 'way' has a slightly , by millions and millions of souls, better historical record of tolerance and of not killing 'communists' than statists have of killing 'non communists' ... )

 

Zdo - i appreciate your ideas/thoughts - it has actually been a good voice that has had me reading a few things i never thought i would. If i indicated a hint of painting - sorry - more naughty than unintended.

One thing i guess i do find surprising/disappointing/unsurprising is the lack of extra questions, thoughts and ideas from others.

maybe people of sick of it, maybe they dont care, maybe they dont want to think any more of it......maybe they do have pink panties, and the fire needs to be fueled either way.

 

for all that i personally thank you - sincerely.

 

Realistically, we live on a violent planet. And unfortunately violence and repression and ‘darkness’ is still increasingly at this time. Even the ‘developed’ societies are far far less 'sustainable' and stable than they appear. Practically, making guns less legal / available is an ‘allopathic’ solution to the types of ‘flag’ incidents that triggered this debate and thread. To Disarm is a very ineffective ‘solution’- except for those among us who need ‘authority’ to do something/anything to help their emotions to settle…

 

because i have been lucky, my views are different - we live in a violent place - i think decreasingly so, the weapons might be more efficient...., but i would hope we can set examples and move beyond that.....blindless optimism maybe. I might not subscribe to Ingots version, but I would like to hope anyone and everyone would prefer to subscribe to that, and maybe it has to start somewhere.

.......disarming, across the world might be a good place - maybe it might even help the awakening.

 

 

I personally think it’s time for another ‘revolution’ and constitutional convention… correcting the vulnerabilities in the present one to the ‘statism’ that is still ascending…the ‘left’ and ‘right’, 'progressives' and 'conservatives' , (label and olabels) etc. are engineered, false dichotomies and are equally guilty in hypocrisy, betrayal, and exploitation of ‘useful idiots’ and …

 

interesting - and so the question remains - a revolution, a re writing of the constitution.....with what model, with what ideas? Could all agree that most revolutions just swap one form of tyranny with another?

(this to me is the crux - if you are not long what is the alternative, short? - for the obligatory trading analogy )

 

I agree the whole left right label and conservative v liberal think was something most people get turned off by in such debates.....you can probably be a socially leaning, politically conservative, economically right wing, minianarchist.....go figure.

Maybe thats why too often many dont want to participate in such debates or ideas.....its too easy to be bombarded with continuous pictures and slogans and name callings.

 

anyways....thanks.

[Colonel B 10]

Hey looks like congress or Mr. Joe Biden is really going to crack down on guns. I heard that gun sales increased 800% or something like that. Well I found a little video for you folks to watch. I watched it and it inspired me.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30i_6awxEG4

 

The AR lower blanks are 90 bucks. And yes you can buy more then 1. With my mechanical background I will have no problem putting these together just in time for the zombie apocalypse. All I need is some of the 30 round mags and a couple of the adjustable stocks and maybe a bump stock. Who knows.

[smmatrix 11]

[MightyMouse 12]

Hey looks like congress or Mr. Joe Biden is really going to crack down on guns. I heard that gun sales increased 800% or something like that. Well I found a little video for you folks to watch. I watched it and it inspired me.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30i_6awxEG4

 

The AR lower blanks are 90 bucks. And yes you can buy more then 1. With my mechanical background I will have no problem putting these together just in time for the zombie apocalypse. All I need is some of the 30 round mags and a couple of the adjustable stocks and maybe a bump stock. Who knows.

 

Ha ha, Yes, that is it isn't it? It's the apocalypse the ardent nra supporters are waiting for.

[SIUYA 11]

Question - can the constitution - the rights, the freedoms from tyranny, and collectivization (socialism, communism, facism) survive and thrive without what seems to be the associated links to god and the other conspiracy theories about the illuminati? or even the idea that if you are not a believer in the constitution its because you are somehow brainwashed or stupid and below intelligence?

 

please dont see this as an attack.

 

also i thought some might like this Ghandi quote i stumbled on - i dont know if its true - i have no accurate source for it.....

 

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, weather the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?"

[smmatrix 11]

[smmatrix 11]

For the people that don't know...

 

[MightyMouse 12]

For the people that don't know...

 

 

You haven't mentioned anything about the califonia school shooting. Another legal hand gun. Care to comment? How would more guns have helped?