To Arm or to Disarm.

[MightyMouse 12]

Well it looks like the proposals for gun control are all weak and, therefore, worthless. The US may have won back the right to fund research, but that too is a waste since common knowledge is that a gun is dangerous. It is an unfortunate byproduct of our representative form of government.

[zdo 20]

Well it looks like the proposals for gun control are all weak and, therefore, worthless. The US may have won back the right to fund research, but that too is a waste since common knowledge is that a gun is dangerous.

 

"This is a victory for the U.S. Constitution - NOT the NRA" Damn Yankee

 

since forming a 'commission' or a 'committee' won't work

or doing research won't work

let's just continue on throwing out the occasional 'example' case...

and of course...the lies, dam lies, and statistics ... like -

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9efqhGBHZI]Ben Swann REALITY CHECK for Piers Morgan Gun Stats - YouTube[/ame]

[zdo 20]

I am way behind in trotting out ( :haha: harmonizing ) examples of specific incidents

(counterparts to the examples of the occasional “dummies with guns” examples that categorically prove that no one should be allowed to choose to be armed, etc … )

 

this following valuable example proves the point that if belgium* had fewer guns (maybe just one fewer gun! ) that this event would have never happened.

Armed robbers snatch $50m in uncut diamonds from Brussels airport - Telegraph

 

* Guns in Belgium: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law

[zdo 20]

Need to take a break? Talk politics, business, entertainment, etc... Anything goes!

 

Articles: Weighing the Gun Control Argument

[MightyMouse 12]

"This is a victory for the U.S. Constitution - NOT the NRA" Damn Yankee

 

since forming a 'commission' or a 'committee' won't work

or doing research won't work

let's just continue on throwing out the occasional 'example' case...

and of course...the lies, dam lies, and statistics ... like -

 

I think you are hard pressed to suggest that the UK has a gun homicide issue with tough gun laws. If you want to split hairs over numbers which might be a time period reporting issue, so be it. It is lower, it is lower, it is lower no matter which way you look at it.

 

It remains that a male in the United States is safer from homicide, gun or otherwise, in prison than not in prison. Yes, a victory for the constitution.

 

Smoking does not cause cancer.

[zdo 20]

mous, That's not very good job of refuting what was admitted to be "lies, dam lies, and statistics"...

For one, I'm wasn't "pressed" at all to make points about UK US comparisons. No attempts were even made to "split hairs" or get into those ever crucial "reporting periods", etc. Again, you missed the point or you are twisting.

But I was easy "pressed" to point out a couple lies, dam lies, and statistics the talking heads are tasked to disseminate... Again, you missed the point or you are twisting.

Also, smoking really does not cause cancer. Just another meme that you don't understand... and haven't really chosen to explore beyond what 'they' told you...

 

Yes, all is well in the UK

After all, guns were legally banned.

Weapons threat on the rise in UK schools

 

oh wait, near the end of the vid they played the script about how the politicians are getting “ready to sit up and take notice”, so this ‘problem’ should be completely a thing of the past by next semester…

[zdo 20]

In the running…

 

“Sir, you can see it!? Show us. I still don’t see what’s left of my grandparents’ America - even through this magnifying glass”

 

“Little girl, I need you to loan me another trillion.”

 

“But, mr. presmident, we don’t want to be your human shield anymore!”

[zdo 20]

...It remains that a male in the United States is safer from homicide... in prison than not in prison.

 

Yes we must protect our males. They are the very core reason of this whole thread – even though it was ‘suddenly’ set off by a madman who killed children … omg.

 

and…it’s ironic that in your community you still walk around with “no fear”… your own words.

We might suspect that you’re so mighty you carry a cop around with you to respond to any threats … who needs a gun when you can carry a cop?

Oh - you can’t carry a cop ?!

sht boy, if we can’t control them guns everywhere, your ass is homicided grass.

 

 

 

“…in prison than not in prison.”

Still working these ungrounded, unrealistic ‘cabin’ theories to explain things?

Sounds like you're pulling another sneaky “guns cause criminals” …

or one of your other dreamlike causes for the murders.

Quickly now! Deny it.

[zdo 20]

MM, you’re the only to Disarm poster in here who thinks. All the rest of the gun grabbers are just minions parroting the memes, or are just going ad hominem, etc. etc.

You think about how to leverage your statistics and how to discredit any other statistics. You think about ways to infer from your lies, dam lies, and statistics how many males we might save and what we might achieve if, essentially, we somehow had “fewer” guns.

You think about how to take our weapons without appearing to take our weapons… attempting to snuff our rights to self defense parity while denying it etc.

(

:helloooo:

...and even though you 'think' - we even have to consider that you want to take our weapons... but you don't believe you want to take our weapons. whoa! what ?)

 

…You have said how wonderful “one less gun ”might be many, many times over...

 

But one more gun might make a difference.

Every year, guns are used over 80x more often to protect a life than to take one!

[MightyMouse 12]

But one more gun might make a difference.

Every year, guns are used over 80x more often to protect a life than to take one!

 

You are 2.7 times more likely to die by a gun if you own a gun than if you don't own a gun. Oddly, you protection comes at a cost.; an increased chance of dying.

[SunTrader 10]

.....

Every year, guns are used over 80x more often to protect a life than to take one!

 

:rofl:

 

...................................

[zdo 20]

You are 2.7 times more likely to die by a gun if you own a gun than if you don't own a gun. Oddly, you protection comes at a cost.; an increased chance of dying.

 

MM, think and peel back some layers in those stats, (unlike StunGun who can only muster derisive )

Most gun murders are from perp on perp, or repeat offender on family (hurt to death that one last time), or... etc. – and both parties are likely to ‘own’ the guns…

big stat warper – you’re conveniently lumping the normals in where they don’t belong.

Those with degrees in lying via statistics have a word for this...

 

 

 

 

 

You are 2.7 times more likely to die by a gun if you own a gun than if you don't own a gun. Oddly, you protection comes at a cost.; an increased chance of dying.

 

Big whoop.

 

Lies, dam lies, and statistics

You are 2.7 times more likely to die financially if you have a leveraged trading account than if you don't have a leveraged trading account. Oddly, your security comes at a cost; an increased chance of financial death.

Yet here we all are .... ~80,000 up here on TL, etc etc ... dangerous accts freaking everywhere...all over the world...all lumped together...

 

Let's co-track your logic. If those "leveraged trading accounts " cause all those financial deaths - and not the account holders - what we need to do is legally reduce the number of these lethal leveraged trading accounts and there will certainly be fewer financial deaths

... lies, dam lies, and statistics have a use. Truth is not part of it. It's sad to see a 'wounded rescuer' like you sink to ...

 

Every year, guns are used over 80x more often to protect a life than to take one!

Hell yeh it’s probably a lie. Maybe it’s a dam lie. Possibly, it’s even a statistic.

Whack the fk away at it all you want… I couldn’t care less... bcse

 

Personally, I’m good as long as the ‘real’ stat is remains greaterthan/or/equal to

“Every year, guns are used over 1.618x more often to protect a life than to take one! ”

… weethart, you got some serious statistical “analysis”/disparaging to do to move this stat from 80x to below 1.618x ;}

[MightyMouse 12]

MM, think and peel back some layers in those stats, (unlike StunGun who can only muster derisive )

Most gun murders are from perp on perp, or repeat offender on family (hurt to death that one last time), or... etc. – and both parties are likely to ‘own’ the guns…

big stat warper – you’re conveniently lumping the normals in where they don’t belong.

Those with degrees in lying via statistics have a word for this...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Big whoop.

 

Lies, dam lies, and statistics

You are 2.7 times more likely to die financially if you have a leveraged trading account than if you don't have a leveraged trading account. Oddly, your security comes at a cost; an increased chance of financial death.

Yet here we all are .... ~80,000 up here on TL, etc etc ... dangerous accts freaking everywhere...all over the world...all lumped together...

 

Let's co-track your logic. If those "leveraged trading accounts " cause all those financial deaths - and not the account holders - what we need to do is legally reduce the number of these lethal leveraged trading accounts and there will certainly be fewer financial deaths

... lies, dam lies, and statistics have a use. Truth is not part of it. It's sad to see a 'wounded rescuer' like you sink to ...

 

 

Hell yeh it’s probably a lie. Maybe it’s a dam lie. Possibly, it’s even a statistic.

Whack the fk away at it all you want… I couldn’t care less... bcse

 

Personally, I’m good as long as the ‘real’ stat is remains greaterthan/or/equal to

“Every year, guns are used over 1.618x more often to protect a life than to take one! ”

… weethart, you got some serious statistical “analysis”/disparaging to do to move this stat from 80x to below 1.618x ;}

 

Your need for guns is probably a result of you watching too many scary movies. Go see a psychiatrist, your need for a gun will miraculously go away.

[zdo 20]

Your need for guns is probably a result of you watching too many scary movies. Go see a psychiatrist, your need for a gun will miraculously go away.

 

Be very careful what you are saying … :haha: If I go to a psychiatrist, he will most likely prescribe one of the meds which trigger violent and suicidal ideation in a percentage of the patients who take it … plus I already have guns – legal and illegal…( that I currently hope I don't need... but have the god given right to if I do need them... ) but under the influence of those drugs... like a large group of the triggering lanza of the last two decades have been...

You better steer it back to taking guns bud… you’re getting dangerously ::n(lanza)topic:

We don’t want to push to quickly while you’re working through your PTSD

[MightyMouse 12]

Be very careful what you are saying … :haha: If I go to a psychiatrist, he will most likely prescribe one of the meds which trigger violent and suicidal ideation in a percentage of the patients who take it … plus I already have guns – legal and illegal…( that I currently hope I don't need... but have the god given right to if I do need them... ) but under the influence of those drugs... like a large group of the triggering lanza of the last two decades have been...

You better steer it back to taking guns bud… you’re getting dangerously ::n(lanza)topic:

We don’t want to push to quickly while you’re working through your PTSD

 

It's a shame. Sometimes you have to make choices. Do you get meds for a hard on or do you forego the hard on and maintain a decent blood pressure level? Personally, If I had a hard on for 4 hours, I would call everyone, but my doctor would probably be the last one on the list.

 

I'll change gods if my god is the same god as yours. Mine does not advocate the right to have weapons. In fact, quite the opposite. I think your god might be Charlton Hesston. Like I said, too many movies

[zdo 20]

I'll change gods if my god is the same god as yours. Mine does not advocate the right to have weapons.

 

Change gods if you need… that’s btwn you and god…

 

To Arm is additive … Psalm 23:4, etc. PLUS+ matching lethality PLUS individual responsibility…

 

to Disarm is ‘subtractive’ … Psalm 23:4 minus- …. minus- … minus-

Edited February 27, 2013 by zdo

[zdo 20]

Gun grabbers love to use skewed statistics and false assumptions to draw 2nd Amendment advocates into irrelevant tangents and muddle the bottom line.

 

In the end, there is only one question that needs to be asked and answered:

What would YOU do when faced with clockwork like armed attackers threatening harm or death to you and your loved ones?

 

If you had it, would you’ use’ a gun?

Or would you run and leave your family behind?

Or, die on your knees begging for mercy (while waiting for the cops, if you got the chance to dial out)?

 

It’s a very simple gun control question

 

 

 

 

I think only paid government trolls and syncopaths in a state of obedient slumber that is not sleep would argue that firearms are not worth the risks in such “suddenly” events...

 

In real events ( not in statistical studies, or in theories about prisoners, or... ) any HONEST gun control activist with any capacity for valour at all would at least have the sense to admit that they would want the best possible protection for themselves and their family

– which, in such situations, is a gun

- and for multiple attackers, would be a high capacity semi-automatics... (like the gun grabbing senator’s body guards carry...)

 

 

 

 

You, individually, cannot legally take guns from other persons that you have decided should not have guns.

You, as a vigilante, won’t get very far in identifying other persons that you have decided should not have guns, nor in ‘prosecuting’ your (morally sound) private confiscations.

You cannot realistically depend on an increasingly insane and dysfunctional government to come anywhere close to adequately taking the guns from people that you would determine should not have guns.

 

Folks, your best options – until the real, current world we live in is outlier free – go To Arm

[MightyMouse 12]

If you had it, would you’ use’ a gun?

Or would you run and leave your family behind?

Or, die on your knees begging for mercy (while waiting for the cops, if you got the chance to dial out)?

 

It’s a very simple gun control question

 

 

 

That is exactly the fear that the gun advocates want you to possess. It makes it easier to sell guns. It also has close to nothing to do with the 2nd amendment, but your god is a movie star so your bible is just another screenplay that you have learned line by line.

 

As if there were no other way to take down an intruder than with a gun?

If the intruder has a gun? then what? if the intruder is holding the gun or a knife to your wife's or child's head then what?

 

A gun might make you feel good as long as an intruder doesn't appear, but if he appears and he has a gun, you got a mess especially if he knows you have a gun. At this instance, I am not saying that it is not worth it to have a gun, but a gun doesn't really provide the security that you hoped for by possessing a gun.

 

 

Your protection comes at a very large cost.

[zdo 20]

As if ...

If the intruder has ...?

then what?

if the intruder is ...then what?

 

.

 

Typical scenario twisting... instead of answering the question. I keep the faith that you and others have secretly and simply answered it for yourself.

 

A gun might make you feel good as long as an intruder doesn't appear, .

 

Your memory is short... I've told you several times now guns do not make me "feel good" at all... explosions, controlled or not, huge or micro, are aversive to me, etc etc etc.

 

...a gun doesn't really provide the security that you hoped for by possessing a gun...

 

 

More accurately - a gun doesn't really provide the security that you hoped I hoped for ...

check your projections.

 

 

 

Your protection comes at a very large cost.

My "protection" does come at a very large cost.

You and yours have no "protection" at all.

 

I have a stop placed.

You don't.

 

...wishing whatever god you settle on blesses you and yours with no such sudden instants

 

all the best,

 

zdo

[MightyMouse 12]

My "protection" does come at a very large cost.

You and yours have no "protection" at all.

 

I have a stop placed.

You don't.

 

...wishing whatever god you settle on blesses you and yours with no such sudden instants

 

all the best,

 

zdo

 

I think it is you projecting that if you do not have a gun you do not have protection. I will project that you have learned this flawed thought from your flawed bible/screenplay. My family is protected when I am there or not.

[SunTrader 10]

..

To Arm is additive … Psalm 23:4, etc.

More like addictive.

 

So does that make you a Pro-Lifer quoting bible verses.

 

Along with arms, lots of arms and more arms then I guess you are in favor of the DEATH penalty.

 

Might be misreading you but sounds like a pro-lifer to me.

 

We get any more pro-lifers in this world we might just become extinct as a species.

[zdo 20]

I think it is you projecting that if you do not have a gun you do not have protection.

 

and twist the scenarios that you must represent to yourself any way you like.. from limb to limb… from six ways to wednesdy… from what if this…? to what if that…? twist them any way your imagination will let you.

Any way you twist these inner scenarios though - with an available weapon you have more options…

not necessarily pretty options

or what under normal circumstances would be considered desirable options -

But, the better armed you are, the MORE options you have.

The more prepared you are, the MORE options you have.

In such “suddenly” life and death events, MORE options do matter

 

I am only one, but I am one.

I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

And because I cannot do everything,

I will not refuse to do the something that I can do.

What I can do, I should do.

And what I should do, by the grace of God, I will.

Edward Everett Hale

 

 

I will project that you have learned this flawed thought from your flawed bible/screenplay.

 

It is actually your own inner flawed bible/screenplay, bub. In reality you simply do not have enough knowledge or exposure to me, the man, to know my scripts

It not quite worth it to try and guess what "flawed bible/screenplay" you're talking about or where you are getting this stuff...

Still - Project all the shadowy sht you can on me ... it will ultimately help you heal.

 

My family is protected when I am there or not.

 

just yours?

no one else's family is protected when they are "there or not" ?...

you've attempted to put yourself in a position to determine who should be allowed to have arms.

now you're attempting to put yourself in a position to decide which families 'god' protects.

? are you really qualified ?

 

In gratitude that you and your family are "protected" - at that level,

In sadness that you and your family are not "protected" at the level where your physical role and preparation for "suddenly" is concerned,

You think you're "there". You're not. You've obviously got a long training and experiential ordeal ahead of you to a place where an almost imperceptible but authentic shift happens inside where you start to protect your would-be assailant from the imminent jeopardy he faces with his violent intents.

 

All the best,

 

zdo

[MightyMouse 12]

and twist the scenarios that you must represent to yourself any way you like.. from limb to limb… from six ways to wednesdy… from what if this…? to what if that…? twist them any way your imagination will let you.

Any way you twist these inner scenarios though - with an available weapon you have more options…

not necessarily pretty options

or what under normal circumstances would be considered desirable options -

But, the better armed you are, the MORE options you have.

The more prepared you are, the MORE options you have.

In such “suddenly” life and death events, MORE options do matter

 

Edward Everett Hale

 

 

 

 

It is actually your own inner flawed bible/screenplay, bub. In reality you simply do not have enough knowledge or exposure to me, the man, to know my scripts

It not quite worth it to try and guess what "flawed bible/screenplay" you're talking about or where you are getting this stuff...

Still - Project all the shadowy sht you can on me ... it will ultimately help you heal.

 

 

 

just yours?

no one else's family is protected when they are "there or not" ?...

you've attempted to put yourself in a position to determine who should be allowed to have arms.

now you're attempting to put yourself in a position to decide which families 'god' protects.

? are you really qualified ?

 

In gratitude that you and your family are "protected" - at that level,

In sadness that you and your family are not "protected" at the level where your physical role and preparation for "suddenly" is concerned,

You think you're "there". You're not. You've obviously got a long training and experiential ordeal ahead of you to a place where an almost imperceptible but authentic shift happens inside where you start to protect your would-be assailant from the imminent jeopardy he faces with his violent intents.

 

All the best,

 

zdo

 

The more arms, the more death.

 

Should an innocent life be taken to spare many? Your answer is yes.

Should the lives of many innocent people be taken to spare a few? Again, your answer is yes.

 

Think it through.

 

You probably don't like the way these feel, sound, or look. Get used to the suit. You'll wear it for as long as you stay.

[zdo 20]

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Should an innocent life be taken to spare many?...

Should the lives of many innocent people be taken to spare a few? ....

 

You're still busy 'twisting' ... Every post I have made in this thread is about dealing with NON "innocence"...

 

 

What would YOU do when faced with clockwork like armed attackers threatening harm or death to you and your loved ones?

If you had it, would you’ use’ a gun?

Or would you run and leave your family behind?

Or, die on your knees begging for mercy (while waiting for the cops)?

It’s a very simple gun control question

[MightyMouse 12]

You're still busy 'twisting' ... Every post I have made in this thread is about dealing with NON "innocence"...

 

 

What would YOU do when faced with clockwork like armed attackers threatening harm or death to you and your loved ones?

If you had it, would you’ use’ a gun?

Or would you run and leave your family behind?

Or, die on your knees begging for mercy (while waiting for the cops)?

It’s a very simple gun control question

 

I do believe I would use a gun. I am not too sure that many people would answer no to your question. Especially on a website.

 

Are you properly trained to use a gun in the circumstances you describe?

If the assailant is holding a knife or piece of cut glass to your child's throat and demands that you drop the gun, do you shoot or drop it?