To Arm or to Disarm.

[MightyMouse 12]

"plenty ways" ? ... such as ???

 

I am not a legislator so anything I say is going to sound dictatorial.

 

Make people responsible for the disposal of their gun.

 

Make it so that they can only sell guns back to authorized dealers to make certain that they do not end up in the wrong hands.

 

Make people responsible for keeping their guns under lock and key at all times. If there house isn't safe enough to hold a gun, then they should keep it somewhere where it is safe.

 

If most guns that bad guys have are obtained illegally, then actions should be taken to minimize the supply of illegal guns. If the guns originated in the US, then measures should be taken to prevent hand guns from being stolen. I don't know enough of how guns enter the illegal gun market. Stolen is my guess.

 

Related, but probably more important, is to do something about the drug issue in the US. crime would cease to exist as we know it.

 

Once again, I am not a legislator.

[SunTrader 10]

.......

 

‘Back in 1874’, well intentioned, hypocritical old ladies .

......were looking nationally for the right to vote.

 

Hypocritical or not.

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Make people responsible for keeping their guns under lock and key at all times. If there house isn't safe enough to hold a gun, then they should keep it somewhere where it is safe.

 

Now how in the hell am i gonna defend myself with a locked up gun?

[Patuca 13]

along with pink water bubble guns lets not forget to extend the ban to paper guns and punish all who go around with paper guns and pink water bubble guns.

 

Fifth-grader reprimanded for bringing paper ?gun? to school | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

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Pa. kindergartner suspended for alleged "terroristic threat," attorney says - Crimesider - CBS News

 

Can't wait to see how armed school officials will act with this situation.

probally with a whole lot better common sense.

[MightyMouse 12]

 

 

 

 

 

Now how in the hell am i gonna defend myself with a locked up gun?

 

Get a psychologist. The monster will eventually fade away. You'll be able to lock the gun up.

[MightyMouse 12]

probally with a whole lot better common sense.

 

Such a student who is deemed to pose a terrorist threat will justifiably be held at gunpoint. That is common sense when you have a gun and there is a terrorist threat.

 

It's the same rational for putting hand cuffs on 5 year old kids. The difference is the gun.

 

Are you going to claim that gun owners are smarter?

[Patuca 13]

Such a student who is deemed to pose a terrorist threat will justifiably be held at gunpoint. That is common sense when you have a gun and there is a terrorist threat.

 

It's the same rational for putting hand cuffs on 5 year old kids. The difference is the gun.

 

Are you going to claim that gun owners are smarter?

trained and armed school personnel will have more common sense than the liberals like yourself who want to disarm everyone but will never be able to accomplish that in america. No one has to hold a 5 year old at gunpoint. That is stupid. These people that expelled this girl labeling her a terrorist threat are liberals that can't use common sense as they either don't have any or lost their way along the path. Bubble gun and pink at that. :rofl: :rofl:

[Patuca 13]

 

 

 

Are you going to claim that gun owners are smarter?

 

that sounds about right to me. :rofl: :haha:

[Patuca 13]

 

Get a psychologist. The monster will eventually fade away. You'll be able to lock the gun up.

see no common sense. You may be beyond the help of a psychologist :helloooo: i am fine and feel great knowing that people like yourself will be unable to accomplish their agenda in america.

[Patuca 13]

Mm don't you think they should ban golf clubs? Seems like they could be much more dangerous weapons than pink bubble pistols and paper guns, especially in your hands. :rofl: :rofl::ban:

[Patuca 13]

This is wonderful news. Especially, since it is Ca. Now this is Real Common sense. :applaud::applaud::applaud:

 

Fontana, Calif., schools get high-powered rifles - Yahoo! News

[edgararakelyan 10]

I have always been on the side of firearms as i'm a conservative and for individual rights and and i had never shot a rifle before so the other day I went shooting with a mosin nagant and I fell in love with the gun. So powerful and strong. Now i'm addicted to guns.

[MightyMouse 12]

trained and armed school personnel will have more common sense than the liberals like yourself who want to disarm everyone but will never be able to accomplish that in america. No one has to hold a 5 year old at gunpoint. That is stupid. These people that expelled this girl labeling her a terrorist threat are liberals that can't use common sense as they either don't have any or lost their way along the path. Bubble gun and pink at that. :rofl: :rofl:

 

Most conservatives are the ones who own guns right? That also makes them the ones who shoot themselves by accident too right? that also makes them the ones who exercise poor judgement and do things like shoot innocent people for carrying a sandwich. You want more of these conservatives guarding kids? Or, are we going to get the conservatives who are gun dealers and let their guns walk out the door without them even knowing it. Or, are we going to get those conservatives who are gun dealers who do not know that a round is still chambered and shoots several people. Those intelligent conservatives? Or are the the conservatives that walk into a gun show with a loaded weapon knowing full well that they are not allowed to walk into a gun show with a loaded weapon. Those conservatives? Or do you mean the conservatives who shoot their own child for robbing the next door neighbor's home. Is that the conservative you want guarding our kids? Or do you want the conservative texas college kids who shoot each other over a parking space. They are in college so they must be relatively smart and trainable right? are those the people who you want teaching and gurading our kids? Gee Whiz. It seems like you have a solid plan

 

I don't want to disarm anyone who is allowed to have a gun. I want you to be responsible with your gun. Is it unreasonable for you to be responsible with an instrument that can kill people? Is it unreasonable to ask you to do everything possible to keep that gun from getting into the wrong hands? is your right to bear arms also your right to act like an irresponsible idiot, allowing your guns to fall into the wrong hands and then let the government figure out how to fix it? It seems to be like you are for big government, Everything you speak of adds expense and compounds the problem.

 

It is the perfectly law abiding, but irresponsible, citizens who allow guns to fall into the wrong hands. Arming everyone will make this worse and it will compound the problem that we are trying to fix.

 

You seem to hold the 2nd amendment up like a shield to protect you from anyone taking away the thing that pacifies you; your gun. As adults we should not need pacification anymore. That stage fades away at around 4 years old. Some still are not mature enough into their teens, but it fades in time. Apparently others never lose the need for pacification.

[SunTrader 10]

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Apparently others never lose the need for pacification.

And don't forget the phallic aspect as well.

 

Dirty Harry had the "most powerful handgun in the world". He da man!

 

[smmatrix 11]

Most of you guys have been Sandy-duped with the actors and shenanigans. Isn't it funny that they're trying to ban assault rifles when an assault rifle wasn't even used? It was left in his vehicle... remember? It's so stupidly obvious the Lib-nuts will use and fabricate events to push their agenda.

 

 

 

[Patuca 13]

Most conservatives are the ones who own guns right? That also makes them the ones who shoot themselves by accident too right? that also makes them the ones who exercise poor judgement and do things like shoot innocent people for carrying a sandwich. You want more of these conservatives guarding kids? Or, are we going to get the conservatives who are gun dealers and let their guns walk out the door without them even knowing it. Or, are we going to get those conservatives who are gun dealers who do not know that a round is still chambered and shoots several people. Those intelligent conservatives? Or are the the conservatives that walk into a gun show with a loaded weapon knowing full well that they are not allowed to walk into a gun show with a loaded weapon. Those conservatives? Or do you mean the conservatives who shoot their own child for robbing the next door neighbor's home. Is that the conservative you want guarding our kids? Or do you want the conservative texas college kids who shoot each other over a parking space. They are in college so they must be relatively smart and trainable right? are those the people who you want teaching and gurading our kids? Gee Whiz. It seems like you have a solid plan

 

I don't want to disarm anyone who is allowed to have a gun. I want you to be responsible with your gun. Is it unreasonable for you to be responsible with an instrument that can kill people? Is it unreasonable to ask you to do everything possible to keep that gun from getting into the wrong hands? is your right to bear arms also your right to act like an irresponsible idiot, allowing your guns to fall into the wrong hands and then let the government figure out how to fix it? It seems to be like you are for big government, Everything you speak of adds expense and compounds the problem.

 

It is the perfectly law abiding, but irresponsible, citizens who allow guns to fall into the wrong hands. Arming everyone will make this worse and it will compound the problem that we are trying to fix.

 

You seem to hold the 2nd amendment up like a shield to protect you from anyone taking away the thing that pacifies you; your gun. As adults we should not need pacification anymore. That stage fades away at around 4 years old. Some still are not mature enough into their teens, but it fades in time. Apparently others never lose the need for pacification.

LOL LOL :rofl: :rofl: you want to gov to stick a pacifier of gun ban in your mouth because you are afraid to have a gun in your home (you said so, not me) hence you want the gov to do all the protecting for you so you want them to ban guns so nobody can hurt you. however, that doesn't work. it won't work. never has worked. the evil boogey man will always get the arms, regardless of regulations. so you gonna have to man up and learn to protect yourself and not depend on the gov to do it for you. now who needs the pacifier?

 

we see things differently, that is for sure. you see the law abiding citizen as the one that carries the blame for the evil people doing what they do. i say the evil people do it because they are evil. they have to be stopped not shift the blame of their actions to law abiding people. such a tactic empowers the evil and de-powers the good.

 

sure, allowing more guns will increase accidental deaths just like allowing more cars increases car accidents and death in these accidents. but we don't stop driving cars just because someone uses bad judgment when driving. nor should we ban guns just because some use bad judgment and others get hurt. the increase in injuries or deaths from allowing more guns is part and parcel with the package. but look at the alternatives. law abiding citizens w/o guns or self protection and evil people still with guns. they will get them ..bans have never stopped them from getting them. in fact, just the fact they are banned will make them strive to get them even more for they are lawless people. they love to break the law. they live for it. they get a rush from it. you can't legislate away the demand for guns for lawless people. the gov cannot possibly stop these crimes. there isn't enough resources to do it. it has to be done at the grass roots level. and at that level fire has to be fought with fire even if a few houses get burn't in the process that were not targeted to get burn't. it is just the way things work in the real world that has alot of evil people in it. you can't sweet talk them. you can't baby them. you can't legislate them away. you just have to stop them in their tracks.

[MightyMouse 12]

This is wonderful news. Especially, since it is Ca. Now this is Real Common sense. :applaud::applaud::applaud:

 

Fontana, Calif., schools get high-powered rifles - Yahoo! News

 

This will lead to them getting bigger guns to do their crime. Soon we'll have tanks at schools, patrolled by fighter jets overhead just so you can sleep with your pistol. Brilliant. Tell me more.

[MightyMouse 12]

LOL LOL :rofl: :rofl: you want to gov to stick a pacifier of gun ban in your mouth because you are afraid to have a gun in your home (you said so, not me) hence you want the gov to do all the protecting for you so you want them to ban guns so nobody can hurt you. however, that doesn't work. it won't work. never has worked. the evil boogey man will always get the arms, regardless of regulations. so you gonna have to man up and learn to protect yourself and not depend on the gov to do it for you. now who needs the pacifier?

 

Guns in a household with children is not a good idea in my book. They are prone to making mistakes. I don't want the mistakes to be fatal. Mock me if you like for caring for my children. If you decide to allow your children to be around deadly weapons that is your risk and your choice. My children are not at risk. Yours are.

 

we see things differently, that is for sure. you see the law abiding citizen as the one that carries the blame for the evil people doing what they do. i say the evil people do it because they are evil. they have to be stopped not shift the blame of their actions to law abiding people. such a tactic empowers the evil and de-powers the good.

 

Where do the bad guys get their guns from? Do they forge them in a garage somewhere? where do they come from? think! No one said you can't have guns. You want to be irresponsible with them and you are irresponsible with them by leaving them around your kids.

 

sure, allowing more guns will increase accidental deaths just like allowing more cars increases car accidents and death in these accidents. but we don't stop driving cars just because someone uses bad judgment when driving. nor should we ban guns just because some use bad judgment and others get hurt. the increase in injuries or deaths from allowing more guns is part and parcel with the package. but look at the alternatives. law abiding citizens w/o guns or self protection and evil people still with guns.

 

No one is saying all guns have to be banned. Your thick head keeps thinking it though and I do not know why.

 

Do you really think that guns are the same as other objects?

 

You or your counterpart here made an irrelevant claim that more people are killed with hammers than guns. likely IRA propaganda. Using the same stupid reasoning as the reasoning behind that stupid statement, then doesn't that mean that more boogie men are killed with hammers than are killed with guns too? Shouldn't we then recommend that everyone sleep with a hammer by their bed since they are more likely to successfully defend themselves against a boogie man with a hammer than they will using a gun? Doesn't that mean hammers are more effective than guns? It is very likely, too, that many people who possess both a hammer and a gun end up killing the perpetrator with the hammer and not the gun. Guns, then, are let by the wayside to be stolen and used by bad guys. Dumb ass reasoning works both ways.

[Patuca 13]

Guns in a household with children is not a good idea in my book. They are prone to making mistakes. I don't want the mistakes to be fatal. Mock me if you like for caring for my children. If you decide to allow your children to be around deadly weapons that is your risk and your choice. My children are not at risk. Yours are.

that is true i give that much to you..i.e. they would be at risks around my guns or your guns if we have them in the house unless we train them well concerning them but even then there is a measure of risk. i am (was as my kids are grown and married now but have grandkids come over and spend the night) willing to assume that risks. you aren't, so to each their own. we each have our own tolerance for risks.

 

however, there is another risk you didn't mention. aren't your kids at risk when the boogie man comes?

 

 

 

Where do the bad guys get their guns from? Do they forge them in a garage somewhere? where do they come from? think! No one said you can't have guns.

sometimes they do in fact make their own guns. if it were possible to make obsolete all guns, everywhere, in the whole world, then yes, your idea might be a pretty good idea. however that will never happen and is idealistic thinking. as long as there are guns in this world you can ban them in america and the boogie man will get them somewhere else.

 

No one is saying all guns have to be banned. Your thick head keeps thinking it though and I do not know why.

because that is what you REALLY want. which wouldn't be a bad idea if it were possible, but it isn't. there will always be bastards that have to see and feel the end of a bullet as the only thing that will stop them from their evil.

 

 

Shouldn't we then recommend that everyone sleep with a hammer by their bed since they are more likely to successfully defend themselves against a boogie man with a hammer than they will using a gun?

not a bad idea. have a hammer for primary weapon..a pistol for 2nd backup..a rifle for third backup..a machete as last resort. or we could make golf clubs primary and the rest as backups. you use golf clubs as primary and have no backup.

 

optimist invented the airplane. pessimist invented parachutes!

[Patuca 13]

This will lead to them getting bigger guns to do their crime. Soon we'll have tanks at schools, patrolled by fighter jets overhead just so you can sleep with your pistol. Brilliant. Tell me more.

of course all that is just hyperbole. cost would make it prohibitive for the bad boogie man. but if it did come down to it that would be fine..tanks and fighter jets. then they could be stopped from a long distance away from any school. see the mindset of liberals is that nothing will work to stop the evil people. you have to cater to them..plead with them..make laws that go easy on them...outlaw death penalty (i am quite sure you are against that too) and PRESTO they will reform themselves and become nice citizens since we were SO SO nice to them.

 

well that is what has happened in Honduras..Mexico..Guatemala..Canada...and other countries. didn't work. some of these have basically lost their country. won't work in america as we are more violent than all the others. we were born in violence. we will always be a violent nation.

 

these bastards (evil people) understand one thing. OVERWHELMING force.

 

sometimes overwhelming force is the only recourse...remember WW2 Japs..suicide pilots..ready to die for their leader and country...etc..well it all stopped with two bombs that overwhelmed them completely.

 

it is called shock and awe

[Cory2679 11]

A (very right-wing) guy I know just posted this video on Facebook. He included the words "BRING IT" with the video. :o Made me laugh (and roll my eyes), so I thought I'd share it here.

 

[Perrin 10]

Information, thoughtfulness, empathy, intelligence, honesty, humility, honour, friendships, decency, civility, helping the less fortunate, treating others as you would like to be treated yourself, being decent to other human beings (and to all other creatures for that matter). Those should be the weapons used to avoid tyranny and to keep people safe.

Edited January 25, 2013 by Perrin

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