Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

RichardCox

Managing Reactions to Losing Trades

Recommended Posts

It can be argued that the most difficult aspect of trading for those new to the game comes not when a trade itself loses money but when another trading opportunity presents itself and the next trading decision actually needs to be made. It can be a large task to forget the previous trade, collect your thoughts and make the next decision in an informed, rational manner. But the ability to do this is one of the main characteristics that separates professional traders from amateurs.

 

Structuring sound trades after experiencing a loss (or multiple losses) comes mostly as a result of managing reactions and looking at the bigger picture. All traders experience unfavorable trades - anyone suggesting otherwise is either lying or has never actually made a trade with real money. While it is possible for both a professional and amateur trader to have a similar outlook on the market, there is nothing to suggest that both of these traders will end with similar results. Here, we will look at some of the reasons why this is the case.

 

Evaluating System Efficacy Rather than Focusing on Individual Trades

 

One of the key differences between the successful trade reaction management of professionals and those of amateurs can be seen when the successful trader focuses on the rationale behind the trading system rather than on the outcome of one specific trade. Of course, a single trade cannot make a trading career. Successful trading careers require a large number of individual trades in combination, so the outcome of any one instance is not going to be of large importance. So, when we place a larger number of trades, an individual losing trade will start to look much more insignificant.

 

When new traders approach the forex markets in this way, singular losing trades will be much easier to manage and much less distracting when you are going to place your next trade. This will also make it easier to exit trades once your accepted levels of risk are reached. In lieu of this, new traders tend to become married to losing trades (based on emotional and irrational reactions) and are unwilling to accept losses.

 

Trades are left open too long as the trader attempts to convince himself that the market will turn later, even in the face of constant rejection. These problems come directly from the idea that each individual trade is much more important than it actually is. Now, this is not to say that each trade has zero importance, but in all cases we much have some context in mind and take into account the broader picture: The next trade is simply part of a much larger whole, and even if the original idea is not successful, there will be many more opportunities to make up (and overcome) the loss.

 

Approaching the Market with a Professional Mindset

 

When looking to approach the forex market with a professional mindset both front end practices ( those taken before the trade is placed) and back end practices ( those taken after the trade is placed) must be calm, mechanical and rational in nature. Of course, as human beings, it is impossible to completely remove emotions from the equation but attention must be centered in this area and it pays to realize that accepting risk is a standard part of trading and you must be ready to exit a trade when the market if telling you the original idea was incorrect.

 

A professional trader is able to accept losses in a much calmer way because they are fully aware of the strengths of their strategies and how these strengths fit into their overall money management scheme. When we don’t allow our trading egos to get in the way, it is much easier to prevent a 2% loss that turns into a 5% or 10% loss if the market continues to move in the wrong direction. Larger losses like these are unacceptable for professional traders, so it pays to watch the signals and to pay attention to what the market is telling you.

 

Maintaining the Sustainability of Your Trading Career

 

When following these rules and in paying attention to this frame of mind, it becomes much easier to sustain the longevity of your trading career. If “being right” is what is most important to you (and you try to force a losing trade into profitability), it is highly unlikely that you will be able to remain active in the forex markets for very long.

 

Instead you must do the research to develop a trading system, and to actively obey the rules of that system. This allows traders to maintain an edge in the longer term by avoiding the old adage of “putting all of your eggs into one basket.” This is what occurs when we allow one trade to ruin a trading day (or week, or month) because we are failing to take the much larger picture into account.

 

This is a key difference between professional traders and amateur traders. A newer trader is only focused in the things that are directly in front of him (the open trade seen currently). Alternatively, the professional trader gives most of his attention to the trading system at work. Luckily, these trading systems do not need to be overly complicated in order to be profitable. Indeed, there are many trading systems that are very simple and are still able to profit consistently over time.

 

Conclusion

 

So, when we avoid trying to “force” our trades to work in our favor (which, it should be clear, is impossible), and maintain a strict usage of favorable risk to reward ratios, it becomes much easier to relax when individual trades start to move in the wrong direction. To be sure, the level of calm that is experienced by professional traders might seem overly mysterious. It might seem as though these traders do not actually worry about losing money. But this is far from the reality. Instead, these traders understand that losses are a regular part of trading and that sound money management and a consistent strategy will erase (and overcome) these temporary difficulties once the bigger picture is taken into account.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

None of this has anything to do with a specific market..is there a reason the author refers to "forex" every few sentences.....?

 

Professionals come in all shapes & sizes...all you need initially is money....in my opinion, the ultimate "screening mechanism" for skilled pros are A) time in the game B) general approach to the business (also called attitude) and C) results....

 

Over the years, I have noticed that highly skilled participants rarely respond emotionally to wins OR losses....while less skilled folks respond emotionally to both....I think what happens is that over time some folks figure out that indulging in an emotional response to either result takes your focus away from the job at hand....leading to additional losses (if you happen to be losing) and/or to missed opportunities (because you are too busy being pissed off to recognize the next trade as it sets up)....I think its about that simple...

 

I leave it to the reader to decide on what level they wish to participate...

 

Best Regards

Steve

Edited by steve46

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Professionals come in all shapes & sizes...all you need initially is money....

 

 

can you go from being a professional with money to an amateur because you have no skills? ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
can you go from being a professional with money to an amateur because you have no skills? ;)

 

I think its not uncommon for people to "think of themselves" as professionals because they have money (for the moment)....I am suggesting that eventually the market decides who is and who isn't a professional.....lets put it this way, if you're a net loser over an extended period of time, one has to wonder if you have the requisite risk management skills to really belong in this industry. Clearly we all start out as amateurs....the real question is where do we end up?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's a difference between professional traders versus retail traders.

 

Professional traders work for a company or for someone...they do not trade their own capital. They trade from an office with other traders, usually are salary ($100k - 1 million on average depending upon the company), pay vacation, and health & dental benefits, performance bonuses and retirement plans. In addition, professional traders usually have a "compliance officer or office" that helps ensure they follow whatever trading rules/risk management rules have been designated by the boss or board.

 

In contrast...

 

Retail traders trade their own capital and usually trade from home. Yet, there are some retail traders (very few) that do get an office and there are some retail traders that trade capital given to them by family or friends. Yet, the latter must not exceed a certain limit that would then require certification and so on. In that case, they then become professional traders when they begin trading a large sum of capital that's been given to the trader to "manage".

 

Therefore, professional traders are LESS likely to get emotionally attach to trades in comparison to retail traders via the above obvious reasons.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
There's a difference between professional traders versus retail traders.

 

Professional traders work for a company or for someone...they do not trade their own capital. They trade from an office with other traders, usually are salary ($100k - 1 million on average depending upon the company), pay vacation, and health & dental benefits, performance bonuses and retirement plans. In addition, professional traders usually have a "compliance officer or office" that helps ensure they follow whatever trading rules/risk management rules have been designated by the boss or board.

 

In contrast...

 

Retail traders trade their own capital and usually trade from home. Yet, there are some retail traders (very few) that do get an office and there are some retail traders that trade capital given to them by family or friends. Yet, the latter must not exceed a certain limit that would then require certification and so on. In that case, they then become professional traders when they begin trading a large sum of capital that's been given to the trader to "manage".

 

Therefore, professional traders are LESS likely to get emotionally attach to trades in comparison to retail traders via the above obvious reasons.

 

You would think that such a distance would allow professional investors to be less emotional., but anyone with low self esteem will get attached to a trade or to trading results. "American Greed" aired on CNBC every night is chock full of money managers who needed to create ponzi schemes to maintain their ability to attract money to their funds.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is (for me) an opportunity to put a context to the phrase "self esteem"...

 

I realize that its fashionable to think of self esteem in terms of "high" & "low"....but I find it useful to think in terms of developmental stages....

 

For me, self esteem is the way in which a person relates to the world "at large".

 

I think of self esteem in terms of "adult", "adolescent", "childlike" and "infantile"

 

Not interested in putting on a seminar, but for my purposes (mostly teaching) I look for folks who demonstrate "adult self-esteem"....meaning that they look at the world in a realistic way,

AND they have few illusions about their relative position in the world...ultimately they use that realistic viewpoint to make decisions, to achieve the goals they choose and to live their lives.

 

On the other end of the spectrum...folks with "infantile" self esteem often show up in places like this asking others to provide solutions to their "problems".....to provide answers to every question, and if possible to provide services at no cost...why....well because thats what they want.....usually an infantile character has been "created" by parental influence, typically a doting, over involved mother figure....

 

In a society like ours, these polar opposites exist in abundance (along with adolescent and childlike personalities) and the relation of age to "type" is simple....an adult is expected to have adult self esteem....an infant is expected to have infantile self esteem (how could it be otherwise)....and the same with adolescents and children of various ages....for each...their self esteem (their world view) should be appropriate to their age....when it is NOT...for example when a 30 year old person displays infantile self esteem, THEN you have potential problems....

 

Since these character types have nothing to do with intelligence, each of these types of personalities can be smart, engaging, even charming when pursuing their goals...and for every one except the adult...the ultimate goal is to "be taken care of"....in contrast, the "adult" looks to acheive goals that allow them to "take care of" themselves.....

 

I bring this up because for traders who have what MM calls "low" self esteem, it seems to me that the hidden goal is to have the trade "take care of" them....that is to say, if the trade is successful, it provides validation (they are smart, rich, right, etc)....and when it doesn't, they are...well....it provides the tension that they experienced as infants or young children who want something but aren't quite sure that "it" is forthcomming....very similar to what some therapists call "repetition compulsion". Either way the process fills a need

 

For the adult, they don't need to be right....rich, smart, etc....they tend to focus on learning the skills and monitoring their progress realistically....for the other groups it becomes a matter of repetition of an underlying conflict and unfortunately they are likely to continue to focus on THAT instead of making good choices and learning how to make a living...

 

Good luck in the markets folks

Steve

Edited by steve46

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Date: 22nd November 2024.   BTC flirts with $100K, Stocks higher, Eurozone PMI signals recession risk.   Asia & European Sessions:   Geopolitical risks are back in the spotlight on fears of escalation in the Ukraine-Russia after Russia reportedly used a new ICBM to retaliate against Ukraine’s use of US and UK made missiles to attack inside Russia. The markets continue to assess the election results as President-elect Trump fills in his cabinet choices, with the key Treasury Secretary spot still open. The Fed’s rate path continues to be debated with a -25 bp December cut seen as 50-50. Earnings season is coming to an end after mixed reports, though AI remains a major driver. Profit taking and rebalancing into year-end are adding to gyrations too. Wall Street rallied, led by the Dow’s 1.06% broadbased pop. The S&P500 advanced 0.53% and the NASDAQ inched up 0.03%. Asian stocks rose after  Nvidia’s rally. Nikkei added 1% to 38,415.32 after the Tokyo inflation data slowed to 2.3% in October from 2.5% in the prior month, reaching its lowest level since January. The rally was also supported by chip-related stocks tracked Nvidia. Overnight-indexed swaps indicate that it’s certain the Reserve Bank of New Zealand will cut its policy rate by 50 basis points on Nov. 27, with a 22% chance of a 75 basis points reduction. European stocks futures climbed even though German Q3 GDP growth revised down to 0.1% q/q from the 0.2% q/q reported initially. Cryptocurrency market has gained approximately $1 trillion since Trump’s victory in the Nov. 5 election. Recent announcement for the SEC boosted cryptos. Chair Gary Gensler will step down on January 20, the day Trump is set to be inaugurated. Gensler has pushed for more protections for crypto investors. MicroStrategy Inc.’s plans to accelerate purchases of the token, and the debut of options on US Bitcoin ETFs also support this rally. Trump’s transition team has begun discussions on the possibility of creating a new White House position focused on digital asset policy.     Financial Markets Performance: The US Dollar recovered overnight and closed at 107.00. Bitcoin currently at 99,300,  flirting with a run toward the 100,000 level. The EURUSD drifts below 1.05, the GBPUSD dips to June’s bottom at 1.2570, while USDJPY rebounded to 154.94. The AUDNZD spiked to 2-year highs amid speculation the RBNZ will cut the official cash rate by more than 50 bps next week. Oil surged 2.12% to $70.46. Gold spiked to 2,697 after escalation alerts between Russia and Ukraine. Heightened geopolitical tensions drove investors toward safe-haven assets. Gold has surged by 30% this year. Haven demand balanced out the pressure from a strong USD following mixed US labor data. Silver rose 0.9% to 31.38, while palladium increased by 0.9% to 1,040.85 per ounce. Platinum remained unchanged. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business.   Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report.   Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar.   Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding of how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE!   Click HERE to READ more Market news. Andria Pichidi HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in FX and CFDs products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • A few trending stocks at support BAM MNKD RBBN at https://stockconsultant.com/?MNKD
    • BMBL Bumble stock watch, pull back to 7.94 support area with high trade quality at https://stockconsultant.com/?BMBL
    • LUMN Lumen Technologies stock watch, pull back to 7.43 support area with bullish indicators at https://stockconsultant.com/?LUMN
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.