Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

mnctigah

Volume and Market Profiling

Recommended Posts

Years ago, after blowing out a few accounts, my trading was turned around by a group of prop traders who wanted to give something back to the trading community.

 

With the help of those traders, I was able to learn to read flow and learn market structure.

 

I have been profitable for a number of years now.

 

I feel that I have a debt to repay and have been helping other traders for quite some time now. I'm not selling anything, nor do I ask for anything in return.

 

With all the garbage and broker sponsored methodologies out there, it is very difficult to find valid trading information. Independant traders are therefore at a severe disadvantage.

 

My only desire is to give back to the trading community....

 

Ronnie

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sounds great. What did those prop guys tell you? How did they open your eyes? What did they teach you that was different? I'm very interested in your reponse!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There were so many things that flew in the face of popular (mis)conception, and those things were learned over a period of time by submitting my trades to them and then receiving feedback.

 

So as far as a concise list of do's and don't's (aside from the obvious with regards to risk control and aversion - limiting to a single trade per day during the early AM when liquidity is high - remembering that each time you take a trade you're subjecting yourself to risk - most times unnecessarily), it would take a novel to teach all of the principles.

 

Most traders have the mis-conception that professional trading is holding for enormous gains. They do in fact have certain mathematical models that do such that, but from day to day they are mainly trading in rejection areas (LVN's), profiting on the daily grind as the market tends to turn and/or backfill in those areas. These guys are running multi-million dollar offshore accounts for clients and their clients understood what real trading is all about. When trading large amounts of contracts, huge profits can be made by simply grinding out from day to day.

 

I worked with them for about 5 years, the last 3 hanging around in order to help some of the more novice traders coming on board (they limited the membership to 50 traders worldwide because of time contraints upon themselves. I felt that I had my own debt to repay, and during that time I made the methodology they were teaching my own and grew into my own. I was catching many of the same trades of some of their other models (which they weren't sharing due to trying to help without complicating matters with various different methodologies). They traded many models in order to smooth results.

 

I don't mind posting my trades and descriptives, even the pre-market analysis, for those serious traders interested in learning market structure and making the transition into the foray of professional trading.

 

I have a FaceBook site that I post for the beneft of other traders I'm trying to help. If interested in the link, send me an email.

 

Ronnie

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
but from day to day they are mainly trading in rejection areas (LVN's), profiting on the daily grind as the market tends to turn and/or backfill in those areas.

...

I don't mind posting my trades and descriptives, even the pre-market analysis, for those serious traders interested in learning market structure and making the transition into the foray of professional trading.

 

Ronnie

 

Ronnie,

 

LVN's over what period of time?

 

I certainly look forward to your analysis, as your style sounds similar to mine and I'm always looking to improve. Over in the "Day Trading the Emini Futures" thread, TheNegotiator usually posts a premarket profiling perspective, and throughout the day others of us also comment on market structure. You are welcome on that thread as well if you wish, to share your perspective.

 

Best,

Josh

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

joshdance:

 

You need to remove time from the equation. One of the trap's is trading on a time based chart. I use mainly a 6PF (reversal chart) for entries in the spoos.

 

I work off the last weekly swing for volume profile purposes.

 

Charts attached...

 

Ronnie

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for taking the time to start this thread and reveal some of your knowledge. I'm also a volume profiler, currently trading DAX futures.

 

I couldn't see any charts on your prior post though, although I'm new here so might not be looking in the right place.

 

Looking forward to hearing more about your methods.

 

:)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
joshdance:

 

You need to remove time from the equation. One of the trap's is trading on a time based chart. I use mainly a 6PF (reversal chart) for entries in the spoos.

 

I work off the last weekly swing for volume profile purposes.

 

Charts attached...

 

Ronnie

 

My primary charts are constant volume charts. I have tried PFs and don't like them very much.. but either way, that's secondary to the structure and methodology, which I am more concerned with.

 

No charts attached to your post Ronnie...?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with Ronnie & Josh, time based charts are of limited value.

Indeed, Peter J S, the Creator of market profile no longer uses time charts either, he trades straight off the volume profile.

 

Like you've mentioned Josh, I like to use CV bars, as I like to see the structure and you can quickly decifer a trend or rotation market.

 

I like to use round numbers on these, although I don't trade the ES, when I'm viewing it I have it set to 5k contacts. For me, it helps with seeing where bigger buyers n sellers are doing business. /

 

I've never seen the point if averaging the volume and dividing it by 24, which I understand is common practice with CV bars. Surely that's just a proxy for time based trading.

 

Would be interested in others opinions on this, positive or otherwise ...

 

 

VT

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"Throwing the baby out with the bath water" springs to mind. While I use volume based candles for trading, time based bars have their place too. As a day trader, my timeframe is entirely contained by the RTH session. 405 minutes. The tempo of the auction within the context of this timeframe is very important to me. Volume bars alone won't show you this, unless of course you have a time indicator, but even then it somehow doesn't give a good idea of flow imo. Then there is the very simple concept of competition (or lack thereof). In fairness this is similar to auction tempo, but more specifically the velocity at which the market acts on moves away from value. :2c:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

MoM is a great book, Also check out the venerable Don Jones over at Cisco futures dot com.

 

There you'll find a website positively engorged with information for the Market Profile and Auction Market / Value trader.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • INTC Intel stock watch, holding at 24.17 gap support area at https://stockconsultant.com/?INTC
    • SAGE Therapeutics stock, strong day, watch for a top of range breakout at https://stockconsultant.com/?SAGE
    • KOLD ProShares UltraShort Bloomberg Natural Gas ETF, watch for a bottom breakout above 23.22 at https://stockconsultant.com/?KOLD
    • Date: 26th March 2025.   GBP Comes Under Pressure From Tough Budget and Low Inflation!   The British Pound is one of the worst-performing currencies of the day. The poor performance is due to pressure from low Inflation and what investors expect to be a tough budget. Why is the UK announcing a stricter budget and for how long will there be pressure on the GBP? Let’s find out! Reasons Investors Are Cautious About The New UK Budget The Pound has fallen 0.32% against the USD and more than 0.50% against the Australian and Canadian Dollar. The Pound is not the worst-performing currency of the day yet, but if the GBPJPY continues to decline as it has over the past hour, the GBP will be at the bottom of the table. The downward momentum is due to the inflation rate which fell from 3.00% to 2.8%. Previously investors were expecting the rate to remain at 3.00%. Many investors fear the fall in inflation is due to weak economic growth and struggling consumer demand. If this continues to be the case, the Bank of England is likely to consider a rate cut.   GBPUSD 30-Minute Chart on March 26th   The Confederation of British Industry (CBI) released its retail sales index for March today, showing a decline from -23.0 to -43.0, the lowest level in eight months, compared to the initial forecast of -28.0. According to CBI experts, businesses in the retail and wholesale sectors are experiencing pressure from global trade challenges, while the new government budget, which entails a substantial rise in debt, is further straining demand. Another key factor contributing to the Pound’s downfall is the UK’s budget and the chancellor's speech. The new UK budget will be released today and the Chancellor will speak in parliament at 12:30 GMT. Investors fear that the chancellor will announce further austerity measures and cuts to the budget. This is mainly in order to spend more on defence and adjust the budget to the weaker economic performance. The chancellor has also stated that 10,000 public sector jobs may be eliminated, with additional savings potentially coming from changes in the accounting treatment of billions of pounds reallocated from overseas aid to the defence budget. The question that traders are asking is whether the Pound will continue to decline. This will primarily depend on how strict the budget is, the chancellor's growth projections and how the bond market reacts. Nonetheless, the technical analysis continues to provide a bearish and dim bias for the upcoming 24 hours. GBPUSD - Technical Analysis Points Towards A Weakening GBP The GBPUSD has now been declining since 18:00 GMT Tuesday and failed to form a higher high. Therefore price action is partially indicating downward price movement and this signal will likely strengthen if the price falls below 1.29011. The price is also trading below the 75-bar EMA, 100-bar SMA and below the neutral level of the RSI. These factors also strengthen the bearish bias of the currency exchange. The US Dollar index is currently trading higher this morning but traders will monitor how the index will react to the European open. This is because the index has fallen 0.08% since the European Cash Open. Nonetheless, the momentum continues to remain mainly in favour of the Dollar. The only concern for traders is the support level at 1.29011.   USDX (US Dollar Index) 30-Minute Chart on March 26th   Key Takeaway Points: Pound Weakness: The British Pound is struggling due to lower inflation and budget concerns. Retail Sales Drop: The CBI retail index hit an eight-month low, signalling economic strain. Austerity Fears: Investors worry about public sector cuts and defence spending shifts. The bond market reaction will be key for the Pound. Bearish GBP Outlook: Technical indicators suggest further decline, pending budget impact. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business.   Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report.   Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar.   Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding of how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE!   Click HERE to READ more Market news.   Michalis Efthymiou HFMarkets   Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in Leveraged Products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • X United States Steel stock, great day and top of range breakout at https://stockconsultant.com/?X
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.