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[Connect 10]

Rob Bookers kids grow up and one day decide to do a name search on the internet, look here it says daddy was a professional snake oil salesman

[rforexdad 10]

I thank a lot of the experienced users who came forward and wrote that

Rob Booker is a snake oil salesman

 

He has various wonderfull sounding strategies

Wallaby

Bossilator

Monday Accelerator

P2P trading

 

I am sure there must be a list of more than 10 other names that I do not know

 

After all these years....I really am convinced that He knows he is selling Crap !!!!

[joshdance 10]

After reading this thread with mostly two people bashing Rob Booker, I will try to introduce some more civil thoughts.

 

Particularly the last statement made about his kids looking him up in the future... not called for, and going too far, IMO. Leave kids, family, anyone else out of this discussion. That borders on creepy, and I would question the character of anyone who said something like this.

 

A scam is defined as a fraudulent scheme; one which has the purpose of deceiving for the purpose of profit.

 

As far as I can see, Rob Booker sells books, seminars, and systems. What part of that is a scam to you? I wouldn't buy them, and would recommend that people stay away because I don't think it's particularly helpful. But to call him a "scammer" is to imply that he is trying to deceive. What evidence do you have of this? You know, evidence--actual facts, not just your emotionally-charged opinion. So much of trading is about the individual; it can't be proven that a system "doesn't work" because it depends on the trader.

 

It's funny listening to you, rforexdad. You sound like a very jaded individual who bought a seminar and didn't get rich quick, and now you're pissed off. Well, get over it, stop blaming the system, and take a good look in the mirror if you want to accuse someone.

 

Mystic, thank you for posting the video and trying to share. I do not endorse Rob Booker or anyone else, but I do appreciate when others share. If anyone does not like this person, or any vendors, then MOVE ON. I strongly dislike a person who is a vendor but pretends to not be; these people I call out. But how can you blame a vendor who is openly identifying himself as a vendor? The guy's trying to make money; if you don't like the product, MOVE ON.

[Connect 10]

Mentor normally always means vendor these days. :missy:

[Connect 10]

After reading this thread with mostly two people bashing Rob Booker, I will try to introduce some more civil thoughts.

 

Particularly the last statement made about his kids looking him up in the future... not called for, and going too far, IMO. Leave kids, family, anyone else out of this discussion. That borders on creepy, and I would question the character of anyone who said something like this.

 

A scam is defined as a fraudulent scheme; one which has the purpose of deceiving for the purpose of profit.

 

As far as I can see, Rob Booker sells books, seminars, and systems. What part of that is a scam to you? I wouldn't buy them, and would recommend that people stay away because I don't think it's particularly helpful. But to call him a "scammer" is to imply that he is trying to deceive. What evidence do you have of this? You know, evidence--actual facts, not just your emotionally-charged opinion. So much of trading is about the individual; it can't be proven that a system "doesn't work" because it depends on the trader.

 

It's funny listening to you, rforexdad. You sound like a very jaded individual who bought a seminar and didn't get rich quick, and now you're pissed off. Well, get over it, stop blaming the system, and take a good look in the mirror if you want to accuse someone.

 

Mystic, thank you for posting the video and trying to share. I do not endorse Rob Booker or anyone else, but I do appreciate when others share. If anyone does not like this person, or any vendors, then MOVE ON. I strongly dislike a person who is a vendor but pretends to not be; these people I call out. But how can you blame a vendor who is openly identifying himself as a vendor? The guy's trying to make money; if you don't like the product, MOVE ON.

 

 

Google 'Rob Booker Scam'

[rforexdad 10]

After reading this thread with mostly two people bashing Rob Booker, I will try to introduce some more civil thoughts.

 

Particularly the last statement made about his kids looking him up in the future... not called for, and going too far, IMO. Leave kids, family, anyone else out of this discussion. That borders on creepy, and I would question the character of anyone who said something like this.

 

A scam is defined as a fraudulent scheme; one which has the purpose of deceiving for the purpose of profit.

 

As far as I can see, Rob Booker sells books, seminars, and systems. What part of that is a scam to you? I wouldn't buy them, and would recommend that people stay away because I don't think it's particularly helpful. But to call him a "scammer" is to imply that he is trying to deceive. What evidence do you have of this? You know, evidence--actual facts, not just your emotionally-charged opinion. So much of trading is about the individual; it can't be proven that a system "doesn't work" because it depends on the trader.

 

It's funny listening to you, rforexdad. You sound like a very jaded individual who bought a seminar and didn't get rich quick, and now you're pissed off. Well, get over it, stop blaming the system, and take a good look in the mirror if you want to accuse someone.

 

Mystic, thank you for posting the video and trying to share. I do not endorse Rob Booker or anyone else, but I do appreciate when others share. If anyone does not like this person, or any vendors, then MOVE ON. I strongly dislike a person who is a vendor but pretends to not be; these people I call out. But how can you blame a vendor who is openly identifying himself as a vendor? The guy's trying to make money; if you don't like the product, MOVE ON.

 

Okay - let us talk about what is a scam

Rob Booker sold 100 people in 3 batches a system called Monday accelerator which worked in 2007 from January to July and only on one currency GBP/CHF

 

This system made huge losses in other months/years

why ? does he not know this system does not work ?

This is definitely a scam ....correct ?

 

I could go on and on and on.....Right ...?

about his other failed systems

[kuokam 10]

Thank you so much for stating it so perfectly , Josh. I have attended one this guy's seminar and read some of his writings. All for free. Definitely not a scammer.

And Mystic said greatly benefited from his mentoring. Why not believe him? I do.

 

 

After reading this thread with mostly two people bashing Rob Booker, I will try to introduce some more civil thoughts.

 

Particularly the last statement made about his kids looking him up in the future... not called for, and going too far, IMO. Leave kids, family, anyone else out of this discussion. That borders on creepy, and I would question the character of anyone who said something like this.

 

A scam is defined as a fraudulent scheme; one which has the purpose of deceiving for the purpose of profit.

 

As far as I can see, Rob Booker sells books, seminars, and systems. What part of that is a scam to you? I wouldn't buy them, and would recommend that people stay away because I don't think it's particularly helpful. But to call him a "scammer" is to imply that he is trying to deceive. What evidence do you have of this? You know, evidence--actual facts, not just your emotionally-charged opinion. So much of trading is about the individual; it can't be proven that a system "doesn't work" because it depends on the trader.

 

It's funny listening to you, rforexdad. You sound like a very jaded individual who bought a seminar and didn't get rich quick, and now you're pissed off. Well, get over it, stop blaming the system, and take a good look in the mirror if you want to accuse someone.

 

Mystic, thank you for posting the video and trying to share. I do not endorse Rob Booker or anyone else, but I do appreciate when others share. If anyone does not like this person, or any vendors, then MOVE ON. I strongly dislike a person who is a vendor but pretends to not be; these people I call out. But how can you blame a vendor who is openly identifying himself as a vendor? The guy's trying to make money; if you don't like the product, MOVE ON.

[mike21 10]

Mystic, thank you for posting the video and trying to share.

 

joshdance: You thank Mysticforex for posting the video, and yet you criticize rforexdad for sharing his first hand experience with Rob Booker. I don't get it.

 

In my early years of trading I spent (wasted) a lot of money on trading courses, workshops, mentors, etc. So I appreciate when someone like rforexdad shares his experience with a vendor.

 

And Mysticforex: I noticed your avatar is a picture of Rob Booker. Are you Rob Booker?... or just a groupie

[joshdance 10]

Okay - let us talk about what is a scam

Rob Booker sold 100 people in 3 batches a system called Monday accelerator which worked in 2007 from January to July and only on one currency GBP/CHF

 

This system made huge losses in other months/years

why ? does he not know this system does not work ?

This is definitely a scam ....correct ?

 

NO, not correct. It's either a bad product, or a product that did not work well for you.

 

The question is this:

 

When you spend money on a seminar or book or system from him, what does he promise? What does he GUARANTEE? Does he guarantee success? Not a chance.

 

A scam is usually where someone is promised something, and it is not delivered. Like, someone calls you and asks you to donate to a foundation, when they do not represent the foundation. Or, the scams where you are sent a check, you cash it, and then are asked to send back a portion and the check winds up not clearing. These are crimes, like stealing.

 

Unless Rob Booker promised future results, then this is not a scam if it doesn't work. It's simply another system which does or doesn't work. Don't call a bad product (or a good product that doesn't work for you) a scam, if it's not really a SCAM.

 

Did he provide backtested results for this so-called system? If so, and if it had such a bad track record, then why did anyone purchase it? If he did not, are people so stupid that they blindly purchase something without seeing proven results? Did he hold a gun to anyone's head and force them to buy?

 

Unless you take responsibility for your own actions and results, they will not improve. Instead of blaming Rob Booker for selling you a crappy system, how about blaming yourself for not doing your due diligence and getting burned for it.

 

Again, let me repeat: if he promised results, then shame on him. If he did not (and I know he did not, no vendor would ever do that, it's actually against the law I think), then shame on you for assuming that past performance is indicative of future results, especially on 6 months of past performance.

[joshdance 10]

joshdance: You thank Mysticforex for posting the video, and yet you criticize rforexdad for sharing his first hand experience with Rob Booker. I don't get it.

 

In my early years of trading I spent (wasted) a lot of money on trading courses, workshops, mentors, etc. So I appreciate when someone like rforexdad shares his experience with a vendor.

 

mike, it's not the experience he's sharing that I have a problem with, it's this kind of stuff:

 

I feel that Rob Booker makes approx half a million dollars a year targeting new people and all his methods lose money (Rob makes money and all his students lose money trading his methods)

 

No facts, only "feelings" -- the hallmark of someone who hasn't a clue about critical thinking skills, and only knows what he "feels."

 

But Rob Booker is different....he finds a time frame and builds a method and knowing that his method does not work - sells it.

 

All I know is that Rob Booker intentionally teaches methods which do not work...

 

I counted 5 or 6 times this has been said-- again, he's not reviewing a method or system, he's making accusations; how does he know Rob Booker's intentions?

 

 

Rob Booker builds his course which works only in specific conditions and is not suitable for all market conditions

 

Today - You cannot say if the next week the market will be trending or ranging

does anyone know if any particular currency will move in which direction and by how much in the next week ?

 

Just included this one because it's kind of amusing. Apparently "rforexdad" still hasn't figured out that no one "system" will work in all market conditions. Genius, I tell you. He's probably still looking for the perfect system. It's clear that he's simply frustrated that there are no shortcuts. An intelligent person recognizes this, and moves on, and gets to work figuring out the market and stops looking for systems that can be bought.

 

I have tried his methods and they do not work !!!

 

One final one to chuckle at -- "Oh well then, you've tried them, and you're such a brilliant trader, they definitely must not work!" ... as if he's the authority.

 

In reality though, I'm sure they don't work. Systems that can be purchased will not work over a long period of time. The market does not stay still long enough for systems to work, unless it's some kind of long term investment type of a system that takes only a trade or two per year.

[MightyMouse 12]

IMO scam is very fitting for a lot of the vendors who sell trading goods and services.

 

The fact is that no one would pay me to tell them that they probably won't make money every month like they hope if they day trade using my method and that they probably do not have enough capital to extract enough money from the market to maintain a decent standard of living. Oh and with current market conditions, earning about 10% per year is very good.

 

However, I will attract a lot of people if I say that they can make money every day using my system, that my system will allow them to be their own boss, that they can easily make 100% a year and my method works in all markets and all conditions. Even though I can't guarantee it.

 

The intentions of the first offer is to be brutally honest based on my experience and knowledge of markets. The intentions of the second offer is based on what I know traders want to hear.

 

In the second case I am luring traders into buying a product or service that I will not be able to deliver. Caveat emptor aside, I will classify the second offer as a scam.

[gosu 10]

If it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

[rforexdad 10]

If it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

 

Mysticforex made a fitting reply - he said...You win !!!

 

JohsDance is attacking Me and my words!!!

 

I have given you the experience of 100 users who lost money trading Rob Bookers methods . They were from 3 batches in 2010....Here we are Rob made 200K from these three batches.

Rather than discuss Rob's methods (Systems) please do not attack me and my words

Let us discuss one of his methods that he taught the 3 batches

Monday Accelerator - did this work ...Yes siree Bob - but it worked only from Jan to August of 2007 and then lost tons of money in the rest of the year...

what was the explanation....GBP/CHF - the swiss people travel during the rest of the year and Christmas etc etc...(Hooeey...IMHO)

 

and every one believed (the 100 people)

Why should each student test a system...this is what Rob Booker made the 100 people do...Has he not tested the system....

Does he guarantee results....No person on earth guarantees the results....so...what is a scam...A scam is when someone who knowingly sells you something and it does not work.

 

Can I prove it....No...but it is simple for experts in Forex trading...to understand that Rob Booker has scammed people with a method called Monday Accelerator

Newbies do not understand Forex and get caught by Rob Booker and such other people

[joshdance 10]

You are a classic victim, rforexdad. It's everyone else's fault except yours... everyone's out to get you, everyone's attacking you.

 

As for Rob Booker or any other seminars and systems, I recommend to avoid them. You don't need them. But if you do business with them, don't blame them if it doesn't work (and it probably won't).

[gosu 10]

Mysticforex made a fitting reply - he said...You win !!!

 

JohsDance is attacking Me and my words!!!

 

I have given you the experience of 100 users who lost money trading Rob Bookers methods . They were from 3 batches in 2010....Here we are Rob made 200K from these three batches.

Rather than discuss Rob's methods (Systems) please do not attack me and my words

Let us discuss one of his methods that he taught the 3 batches

Monday Accelerator - did this work ...Yes siree Bob - but it worked only from Jan to August of 2007 and then lost tons of money in the rest of the year...

what was the explanation....GBP/CHF - the swiss people travel during the rest of the year and Christmas etc etc...(Hooeey...IMHO)

 

and every one believed (the 100 people)

Why should each student test a system...this is what Rob Booker made the 100 people do...Has he not tested the system....

Does he guarantee results....No person on earth guarantees the results....so...what is a scam...A scam is when someone who knowingly sells you something and it does not work.

 

Can I prove it....No...but it is simple for experts in Forex trading...to understand that Rob Booker has scammed people with a method called Monday Accelerator

Newbies do not understand Forex and get caught by Rob Booker and such other people

 

I wasn't attacking you or your words. I was saying you are probably right about describing it as a scam. I have no problem with the use of the word either. There are a lot of scams in this industry and you could even go so far as to say that the financial industry itself is based on a scam. Most scam artists are rarely punished, and if they are, it's usually a slap on the wrist and a return of partial profits from the scam. The ones selling courses and seminars are usually light scam artists who take from the gullible such as yourself. Of course, we all start out gullible. What's important is how you end up.

[rforexdad 10]

You are a classic victim, rforexdad. It's everyone else's fault except yours... everyone's out to get you, everyone's attacking you.

 

As for Rob Booker or any other seminars and systems, I recommend to avoid them. You don't need them. But if you do business with them, don't blame them if it doesn't work (and it probably won't).

 

Everyone is not out to get me...!!!

I did not mention Boris Schlossberg or anyone else.

 

I am simply saying the simple thing...Rob Booker taught 100 people

all of them lost money..his systems that he taught us do not work.

 

Next thing...Go google the words Rob Booker scam

Josh - Please remember these are my experiences with Rob Booker.

You have no experience with Rob Booker...right ?

If you have some plese share some more details...

I am really interested in knowing from you directly ....what system of his have you tried and which of his systems works ?

[Kiwi 16]

joshdance,

 

If you doubt that you attacked fxdad then go back and, imagining you were him, read your post. If you still doubt it ... you come from a tough home town.

 

Gosu, he didn't say you did. He said josh did.

 

 

Frankly I don't think you can say anything that is too awful about scammers. And Rb's kids, should he have any, will be able to find some pretty negative views on the net from those who knew him and didn't love him.

 

But there is always another sucker.

[karoshiman 10]

Okay - let us talk about what is a scam

Rob Booker sold 100 people in 3 batches a system called Monday accelerator which worked in 2007 from January to July and only on one currency GBP/CHF

 

This system made huge losses in other months/years

why ? does he not know this system does not work ?

This is definitely a scam ....correct ?

 

I could go on and on and on.....Right ...?

about his other failed systems

 

 

You traded a system which was backtested for only 7 months?!? Are you serious? I do not know this system, but heard elsewhere that RB trades short-term charts like 5- or 15-min. charts. Assuming a system based on such short-term time frames I would not care about a system if it is not backtested for at least 3 YEARS! For longer time frames even longer backtesting periods have to be applied to cover different market periods (e.g. daily time frame -> minimum of 10 years IMO).

 

And even if a system is backtested for 10 or more years and worked in this period (including also forward testing), this is not a guarantee that it will perform exactly the same in the next year, next 2 years or next 10 years. It's just an indication. And sooner or later EVERY SYSTEM WILL STOP WORKING. It's YOUR JOB as a trader to CONSTANTLY RESEARCH AND ADAPT.

 

If someone is not experienced they may not know this. However, if you do a little bit of your homework you will find that out pretty soon.

 

When I started out I took part also in one of these educational services (I will not mention which one, but it was not RB). I've learned a few things, but stopped it after 3 months as I saw that these guys do not have a real clue themselves (only just a little bit). I have to admit, that I got angry about them too. Not because of the money I've spent but because they pretend to know a lot. Anyway, I got over it. There's no point in blaming them. They see a need for a service and offer it and others have this need and pay for it. It's the same in every industry.

 

What such seminars can give to you at most is IDEAS for a system. You then have to go back to your office and backtest these by yourself. And very probably you have to adapt them.

 

I became profitable myself only recently but went through a very painful and very costly year of full-time trading until then. I can tell you that there is no one book out there that teaches you trading (i.e. you read this one and everything is fine). There are thousands of books about trading. Most of them are useless and the better ones include only fractions of the truth about trading. Its YOUR JOB to put these pieces of the puzzle together. In some books, I find helpful advice but disagree with other advice in the same book. It's YOUR JOB to filter the gems from the crap.

 

... yes, it's a lot of work.

 

Coming back to RB, I have not attended any of his webinars or whatever and do not know his systems. However, I started to listen to his podcast (which is for free, by the way) and I have to say that there is some good advice in there and they are entertaining too. The advice given is not new to me, as I have gathered this experience all by myself already. But still, it is good to listen to such stuff to ingrain certain principles more into your brain or to see, that other traders have or had similar problems before they became profitable. But from these conversations in the podcast - and based on my own learning curve - I can tell that these are no supertraders themselves. Based on my own experience I can imagine (sorry Josh, that I have no facts here ;-) ) that they have managed to be just profitable. But I have no facts about this, of course.

 

There is no free lunch on Wall Street... IMO there is not even a cheap lunch on Wall Street... ;-)

[rforexdad 10]

You traded a system which was backtested for only 7 months?!? Are you serious? ;-)

 

If I pay Rob Booker for his education - why must I backtest

I trusted him and all the 100 students did the same thing.

It was systems based on the GBP/CHF one hour chart

we tested 4 systems for one year (2007)

 

His systems worked with some results.

 

The thing I realised (I was a newbie...right ?) after 6 to 8 months was that his systems worked only in the first 7 months of 2007

He had tailored his systems

and that to me is a SCAM

 

Rob Booker does this very very often and catches NEWBIES

 

Please do not trust him !!

[SIUYA 11]

If I pay Rob Booker for his education - why must I backtest

 

Because if you paid for an eduction and NOT a system then you should back test. Did you actually learn something?

 

I trusted him and all the 100 students did the same thing.

 

On what basis???

 

Unfortunately rfxdad while RB may or may not be a lot of things.....if you have subsequently paid for other services from anyone else without doing further testing, deep thought into why it might work, or further due dilligence then I hope you pasted a big "L" on your forehead.

 

Due dilligence should be a part of most things - however if we dont do it then its often hard to blame others. But they do say that people do more research on which car to buy than which house to buy......go figure.

 

you what they say (fool me once, shame on you, foll me twice youve got boobs....or something similar.)

[rforexdad 10]

Because if you paid for an eduction and NOT a system then you should back test. Did you actually learn something?

 

 

 

On what basis???

 

Unfortunately rfxdad while RB may or may not be a lot of things.....if you have subsequently paid for other services from anyone else without doing further testing, deep thought into why it might work, or further due dilligence then I hope you pasted a big "L" on your forehead.

 

Due dilligence should be a part of most things - however if we dont do it then its often hard to blame others. But they do say that people do more research on which car to buy than which house to buy......go figure.

 

you what they say (fool me once, shame on you, foll me twice youve got boobs....or something similar.)

 

Yes...I did paste a big L on my head and so have all the other 100 users in the group

 

So...Yes...Rob Booker scammed all the 100 people...

If you want more details please read this thread completely

[Kiwi 16]

Because if you paid for an eduction and NOT a system then you should back test. Did you actually learn something?

 

 

 

On what basis???

 

Unfortunately rfxdad while RB may or may not be a lot of things.....if you have subsequently paid for other services from anyone else without doing further testing, deep thought into why it might work, or further due dilligence then I hope you pasted a big "L" on your forehead.

 

Due dilligence should be a part of most things - however if we dont do it then its often hard to blame others. But they do say that people do more research on which car to buy than which house to buy......go figure.

 

you what they say (fool me once, shame on you, foll me twice youve got boobs....or something similar.)

 

 

Easy to say with the benefit of hindsight. But remember that Rob and his ilk don't sell it as "take it but test it thoroughly" ... they sell it as "this works, just do what I say and be happy." Hence its a scam.

 

I buy the odd potential scam/crapfest still on the possibility of hitting something useful. The win rate is pretty pathetic.

 

Twice is actually possible too. I bought a course from Denise Shull a couple of years back and it was really a pretty monumental waste of my money. Friday I bought her book on the hope that it advanced my original investment (and it cost less then 1/100th as much). Guess what ... fooled twice. More annoyed about the waste of my time finding out that she can't write and didn't add value than the price. I think she might get my amazon review as a return for the time wasted. She really is pretentious ... I hate the way these psych and education majors pretend to know some science when they just expose their ignorance.

 

I did take this one knowing that I was probably going to be disappointed. Its like a trade that loses in this case though. Price of finding the gem amongst the dross.

[rforexdad 10]

Easy to say with the benefit of hindsight. But remember that Rob and his ilk don't sell it as "take it but test it thoroughly" ... they sell it as "this works, just do what I say and be happy." Hence its a scam.

 

I buy the odd potential scam/crapfest still on the possibility of hitting something useful. The win rate is pretty pathetic.

 

Twice is actually possible too. I bought a course from Denise Shull a couple of years back and it was really a pretty monumental waste of my money. Friday I bought her book on the hope that it advanced my original investment (and it cost less then 1/100th as much). Guess what ... fooled twice. More annoyed about the waste of my time finding out that she can't write and didn't add value than the price. I think she might get my amazon review as a return for the time wasted. She really is pretentious ... I hate the way these psych and education majors pretend to know some science when they just expose their ignorance.

 

I did take this one knowing that I was probably going to be disappointed. Its like a trade that loses in this case though. Price of finding the gem amongst the dross.

 

why did Rob Booker ask us to test 2007 ?

he knew it works in 2007 and he has had many complaints that it does not work in 2010

but he still sold it to us....(SCAM...SCAM SCAM)

 

Right ???

[karoshiman 10]

why did Rob Booker ask us to test 2007 ?

he knew it works in 2007 and he has had many complaints that it does not work in 2010

but he still sold it to us....(SCAM...SCAM SCAM)

 

Right ???

 

Didn't any of you become skeptical why he focused only on 2007? From the information that you provided here, it seems that the seminar was quite a while later than 2007...

[SIUYA 11]

I am with you Kiwi - sometimes there are gems among the dross and I too have bought some crap - only once did I pay what I thought was an excessive price - but only as I am a tight arse,

.....but I still dont believe that a trading educator is a scam artist (matter of degrees really so this is not meant to be an arguement as I know you take a harder line than me ) and that ultimately when you throw your money at a system without actually testing it yourself in some form then you have really only scammed yourself.

 

To do this game you need to think a little independently and yet most dont when they think they have paid for a service......what ever happened to the if it sounds too good to be true it probably is - does that not apply to trading/finance/investment.

 

and this is the real point - rforexdad, I have read this thread, and I think you are assigning all the blame to RB without accepting any of the blame -- that is all, and I guess it is more along the lines of ---- haven't you also scammed yourself.

 

If you paid for a University education and did not ever get that dream job that was promised is it a scam?

 

If it is soooooo bad, and soooooo poorly misrepresented then why dont the fair trading government offices close these guys down - that was also my point in my first post #4 - have you lobbied the government, asked anybody to actually look at this industry or their sales pitches or is this the only route you have taken.....?

 

Purely a matter of degrees thats all really.....

 

(Kiwi - I assume its you across the net as the same Kiwi, and if so thank you for your efforts with Sierra Chart - I am using your 'super trend' MA as a bit of a helper for visually seeing things)