95% of Traders Lose: Is this Stat Misleading?

[BlowFish 10]

Quite right VJ, and one of the main reasons small businesses fail is under capitalisation. Trading does have certain specific requirements but it has as many similarities to any other business than differences.

[tlfx 10]

I've never heard the statement as official but it's good for motivation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jsnstocks 10]

In my own opinion,doesnt matter what it is,,trading or most things in general,95% people dont do there research,then when there expectations dont meet they change to something else.

Also what i have notice thruout many forums i see most people think only trade trade trade,not moneymanagement or portfolio selection.

 

As a example i recently payed for a system that truly does win 95% of the time,,i simple used its data points of entry and exits then i put it into excel to optimize MM with portfolio i selected.because im using this system over many stock markets max risk is no more than 0.2% using a volatilty adjust,my point is,with this system runing over 0.2% the equity curve started to fall off,but runnning on only 6 markets 2 being only correlated i could risk up to 5%.

U just have to stay in the game.

[tblack 10]

I would like to know what percentage profile you fall into if you die before you are succesfull?

[trader273 10]

I would like to know what percentage profile you fall into if you die before you are succesfull?

 

Well if you are dead, there is really no way to know if you would have ever been profitable. So maybe something like:

 

Losers:93%

Winners: 5%

Dead: 2%

 

Is this a serious question, if it is, wow....just wow...:doh:

[tblack 10]

I guess since I brought it up, death reminds us to enjoy what we do while we live and not focus so much on the results!

[trader273 10]

I guess since I brought it up, death reminds us to enjoy what we do while we live and not focus so much on the results!

 

 

Well I dont know too many traders that enjoy what they are doing if they are getting poor results. So, at least for traders, I would venture a guess that good results = enjoy what you are doing, bad results= not enjoying.

[Warren Forex 10]

Fact - A hiigh number of new traders loose money!

 

Fact - Many of those traders are under capitalized and uneducated without ever putting in the time and work to become successful.

 

Fact - Most new traders are not willing to apply the blood, sweat and tears required to become successful in this profession. They may start out strong for a few days, weeks, etc but when they dont see any immediate results they move on or wash out.

 

If you go back to "Think & Grow Rich", most people stop 3' short of their dreams. For some the last 3' is too much to take.

 

I had some free time this morning so I just finished reading this thread. I am qualified to comment in a different way than most since I am in the 5% category !

 

My view is as follows;

 

I choose this post to make my reply from since "Think And Grow Rich" is perhaps the most important part of being a winning FX trader.

 

Whether the number is 95% or 75% Human Pyschology is the KEY !

 

Control your FEAR ! Greed ! and Ego !

 

Trade Plan ! Risk Management ! and watch this video please !

 

To become a winning FX Trader you should understand this !

 

http://broadcast.ino.com/education/traders_whiteboard_6/?blog

 

COMMON SENSE and DESIRE to be the BEST !!!

[atto 20]

Along with a couple others in this thread, I fail to see why the percentages matter. Enter into trading saying, "I will be one of those winners, and I will do whatever it takes to accomplish that goal." If others do the same or not, shouldn't really effect you. Sure, most people lose, but it's clearly a win-able game. Find those who are winning, and emulate how they did it.

[Warren Forex 10]

AGREE or Disagree ?

 

I found this ad of sorts and they refer to 95% !Currency Market Moves Because Of Fundamental News Releases!

 

Taking advantage of fundamentals is ALL that separates the pro trader from the wannabes.

 

And the best part is... You don't need to be an economists or have a degree in finance to make money with news.

 

Take two traders, both just beginners, both took the same beginner's Forex course and learned the basics of trading. Both have similar education and background, and both love trading and their goals are to trade for living for the rest of their lives. Let's call them "John" and "Henry".

 

John spends all his time studying the chart, he experiments with new indicators, new parameters, and constantly trying out new trade ideas. He gets his emotions in line. But he never realizes the fundamental factor to Forex trading... as a matter of fact, he purposely ignores news releases and he never makes the simple correction that will make his trades profitable.

 

John, later in his life, is the guy you might find frequenting discussion forums, public online trade (chat) rooms, posting some amazing trades, but never ever show you his live account statement... that is, if he even have a live account at this point.

 

Henry, on the other hand, early on senses that there must be more to Forex trading than just looking at the chart. He may not understand the fundamental news effect to the world economy, but he makes a simple adjustment in the way he looks at trading. Despite the warning from die-hard technical traders to ignore the news, he trusts his intuition and does what's right... not what people told him.

 

Henry becomes a professional trader. You never see him frequenting Forex discussion forums, or online trade rooms, because he's too busy making a fortune in his live account...

 

This is NOT a bogus comparison. You CANNOT become a successful Forex trader as long as you think and act like 95% of Forex traders, who end up losing.

[jonbig04 10]

I agree with the last sentence...and i don't know much about Forex, but speaking about trading in general...fundies and news are not at all necessary-this I know for a fact, and IMHO, pretty much pointless in trading futures.

[sevensa 10]

Henry becomes a professional trader. You never see him frequenting Forex discussion forums, or online trade rooms, because he's too busy making a fortune in his live account...

 

This is NOT a bogus comparison. You CANNOT become a successful Forex trader as long as you think and act like 95% of Forex traders, who end up losing.

 

Doesn't your statements above and from an earlier post that you are in the 5% profitable traders contradict each other since you are frequenting discussion forums?

[Hlm 10]

Interesting comments Warren Forex. I would suggest that you open a new thread to discuss how you trade Forex with fundamentals. We should all try to keep this thread on topic. I have yet to find (in person or other form of solid verification) an individual that is consistently profitable trading spot currencies short term via mainly fundamentals. Of course I am not saying that they don't exist. Yes, technical traders (who like you said make up the majority of the boards) who fail miserably tend to lean more towards Forex. But my guess is that is highly affected by the ease of entry and minimal amount needed to take it serious. Again, I highly suggest that you start a thread. It would be quite interesting to see your thoughts.

[Warren Forex 10]

That was point made by another party. In theory I agree. I had few minutes to spare so while watching EUR/USD I posted this however 5 minutes of time is not hanging around

 

Bump:

Interesting comments Warren Forex. I would suggest that you open a new thread to discuss how you trade Forex with fundamentals. We should all try to keep this thread on topic. I have yet to find (in person or other form of solid verification) an individual that is consistently profitable trading spot currencies short term via mainly fundamentals. Of course I am not saying that they don't exist. Yes, technical traders (who like you said make up the majority of the boards) who fail miserably tend to lean more towards Forex. But my guess is that is highly affected by the ease of entry and minimal amount needed to take it serious. Again, I highly suggest that you start a thread. It would be quite interesting to see your thoughts.

 

I have tried to start Threads to teach FX Traders how to win !

 

I find that very few are ready to invest the time and energy to learn !

 

I win usually 90% of the time but I invest the time needed.

 

Trade USD/CAD and Correlate it to the Dow UP or Down !

[Kiwi 16]

Anyone who says "you need fundamentals to succeed" is wrong.

 

Fx is actually easier for a technical trade than stocks/futures because trends persist so well.

 

The advert quoted is just another way of getting suckers for yet another forex course. Classic sales technique, induce doubt, create a need, gets someone nodding, and provide the can't lose, give me dollars now solution.

 

Bump: To be honest I am a little suspicious of WarrenForex's motivations.

 

I just spent 10 minutes looking at his 25 posts and they make grand claims of performance, suggested a number of times that he will start a fundamentals thread here, etc etc. But look more like a subtle solicitation for business than the activities of a normal board member.

 

Warren, why not put up and start that thread.

 

Bump: To be honest I am a little suspicious of WarrenForex's motivations.

 

I just spent 10 minutes looking at his 25 posts and they make grand claims of performance, suggested a number of times that he will start a fundamentals thread here, etc etc. But look more like a subtle solicitation for business than the activities of a normal board member.

 

Warren, why not put up and start that thread.

[Warren Forex 10]

Anyone who says "you need fundamentals to succeed" is wrong.

 

Fx is actually easier for a technical trade than stocks/futures because trends persist so well.

 

The advert quoted is just another way of getting suckers for yet another forex course. Classic sales technique, induce doubt, create a need, gets someone nodding, and provide the can't lose, give me dollars now solution.

 

All I have to say as my final word is I win 90% of all my trades. I earn over 10% a month. I trade using fundamentals, technicals and market perception.

 

If you win consistently using just price action or any method ,Great !

 

 

Use what works for you !

 

Good Trading ! I am just stating my experiences of 5 years.

[jonbig04 10]

And the whole "I win 90% of the time". That's great and congrats, but its more useful as a slogan than a measurement of how profitable anyone is. Accuracy is pretty arbitrary when it comes down to PnL, unless you are trying to appeal to people who actually think you need 90% accuracy (or anywhere near that for that matter) to make money....

[Warren Forex 10]

Anyone who says "you need fundamentals to succeed" is wrong.

 

Fx is actually easier for a technical trade than stocks/futures because trends persist so well.

 

The advert quoted is just another way of getting suckers for yet another forex course. Classic sales technique, induce doubt, create a need, gets someone nodding, and provide the can't lose, give me dollars now solution.

 

Bump: To be honest I am a little suspicious of WarrenForex's motivations.

 

I just spent 10 minutes looking at his 25 posts and they make grand claims of performance, suggested a number of times that he will start a fundamentals thread here, etc etc. But look more like a subtle solicitation for business than the activities of a normal board member.

 

Warren, why not put up and start that thread.

 

Bump: To be honest I am a little suspicious of WarrenForex's motivations.

 

I just spent 10 minutes looking at his 25 posts and they make grand claims of performance, suggested a number of times that he will start a fundamentals thread here, etc etc. But look more like a subtle solicitation for business than the activities of a normal board member.

 

Warren, why not put up and start that thread.

 

Dear Fellow Trader

 

I have been around this business since 2003. I have been a member here since 2006. I have dealt with many posters like and unlike you.

 

I have posted on other forums. Those that know know and the others well there is not much hope.

 

I am not selling anything.

 

Start a thread and I will post there if you like.

 

Have a Good Day !

[jess82 10]

"Anyone who says "you need fundamentals to succeed" is wrong.

 

Fx is actually easier for a technical trade than stocks/futures because trends persist so well.

 

The advert quoted is just another way of getting suckers for yet another forex course. Classic sales technique, induce doubt, create a need, gets someone nodding, and provide the can't lose, give me dollars now solution."

 

 

If every trader thought exactly in the same way, your words may have some value. I’m not an expert here, but my little experience shows this market is accessible to everyone with some money in the pocket, a pc and a network. People know about news and especially this crisis times. Surely, trends are lead by economical news. Jess

[Warren Forex 10]

"Anyone who says "you need fundamentals to succeed" is wrong.

 

Fx is actually easier for a technical trade than stocks/futures because trends persist so well.

 

The advert quoted is just another way of getting suckers for yet another forex course. Classic sales technique, induce doubt, create a need, gets someone nodding, and provide the can't lose, give me dollars now solution."

 

 

If every trader thought exactly in the same way, your words may have some value. I’m not an expert here, but my little experience shows this market is accessible to everyone with some money in the pocket, a pc and a network. People know about news and especially this crisis times. Surely, trends are lead by economical news. Jess

 

 

How about a little POLL on this ? It requires 100% honesty !

 

How many here who trade without fundamentals have won in each of last three months ?

 

How many that trades with both have done the same thing ?

[Hlm 10]

How about a little POLL on this ? It requires 100% honesty !

 

How many here who trade without fundamentals have won in each of last three months ?

 

How many that trades with both have done the same thing ?

We should probably try to stay on topic here and not turn this into fundamentals versus technicals . Feel free to start another thread/poll and link it here, but keep this thread focused on the credibility of the losing statistic.

[Kiwi 16]

In fact, because your statements were:

 

"Taking advantage of fundamentals is ALL that separates the pro trader from the wannabes."

"You CANNOT become a successful Forex trader ..."

 

 

Shouted. Whats more. Like the advert you were quoting (the one for a smelly little news trading "training" outfit).

 

 

In this case you only need one trader who is happy to state that they have traded forex without fundamentals for each of the last 3 months to prove you wrong. I don't trade forex so I can't ... but I'm sure that someone can.

 

For that purpose I nominate Wasp who posts here and who has been explicit about both is purely technical method of trading forex and his success this year. You will have to excuse him the last few weeks as he did so well that he stopped for the year and went on holiday (Well done old boy )

 

 

The best bit I like from that trash advert was: "Henry becomes a professional trader. You never see him frequenting Forex discussion forums, or online trade rooms, because he’s too busy making a fortune in his live account…"

 

Clearly Henry hasn't discovered that you don't have to watch the market every single moment of the day to be able to trade profitably. Perhaps its that the scammer with the advert doesn't want Henry to go to a trading room and discover that he's just been taken. Like most who fall for the "make a fortune with forex" messages.

 

LMAO. :spam:

[jess82 10]

I’ve realized you can’t focus just in a particular analysis, I think technical and fundamental may help us as traders. Indicators, tendencies, and logical facts are interesting to study, but forex is made also by people. Then, I guess news and events in the world and especially in the economy make us think, wonder and take decisions. Let us know your thoughts,. Jess

[Warren Forex 10]

In fact, because your statements were:

 

"Taking advantage of fundamentals is ALL that separates the pro trader from the wannabes."

"You CANNOT become a successful Forex trader ..."

 

 

Shouted. Whats more. Like the advert you were quoting (the one for a smelly little news trading "training" outfit).

 

 

In this case you only need one trader who is happy to state that they have traded forex without fundamentals for each of the last 3 months to prove you wrong. I don't trade forex so I can't ... but I'm sure that someone can.

 

For that purpose I nominate Wasp who posts here and who has been explicit about both is purely technical method of trading forex and his success this year. You will have to excuse him the last few weeks as he did so well that he stopped for the year and went on holiday (Well done old boy )

 

 

The best bit I like from that trash advert was: "Henry becomes a professional trader. You never see him frequenting Forex discussion forums, or online trade rooms, because he’s too busy making a fortune in his live account…"

 

Clearly Henry hasn't discovered that you don't have to watch the market every single moment of the day to be able to trade profitably. Perhaps its that the scammer with the advert doesn't want Henry to go to a trading room and discover that he's just been taken. Like most who fall for the "make a fortune with forex" messages.

 

LMAO. :spam:

 

With respect for your view !

 

I am a real forex trader. I am not selling anything here or anywhere else.

 

Is the Stat misleading ? What if it is ! The only point I make is that based on 5 years of hands on experience and trading by using the fundamentals + the technicals + understanding when the perception is not the reality leads to winning results.

 

Perhaps some technical FX traders win ? Great ! Whatever works for you. I can teach someone with the right pyschological profile to win at forex BUT not by using only technicals.

 

By knowing that the FED would CUT 75 basis points I had an edge. Look at the movements after the CUT !

 

The Charts did not show it !

 

How did I know ? Well it was not a 100% certainty BUt it was about 75% so I knew that the cut would send the US Dollar Index down. When the ECB later on again went from Hawkish to Dovish as to more CUTS the EUR/USD reversed !

 

Again NO CHARTS gave a hint to that change again in direction !

 

MY EDGE ... Understanding the fundamentals using technicals for entry and exit along with being aware of ONE WORD that can change PERCEPTION which then changes Fundamentals.

 

That is my point of view. You are welcome to yours.

 

Good weekend Folks !!!

[jonbig04 10]

Hmm, don't know about Forex, but the NQ chart was bullish that whole day, well before the fed announcement.