Gold Bullish or Bearish

[SunTrader 10]

Gold remains bullish. It has been bullish for years.

Such a comedian. :haha:

 

Yeah its still above the price it was FOUR YEARS AGO.

 

But bullish while in a bear trend of lower lows and lower highs - no such thing.

 

Keep hoping and wishing and holding your breath.

 

Though I think might be better if you looked at a chart every once and awhile before posting any more bullish nonsense.

[Patuca 13]

Such a comedian. :haha:

 

Yeah its still above the price it was FOUR YEARS AGO.

 

But bullish while in a bear trend of lower lows and lower highs - no such thing.

 

Keep hoping and wishing and holding your breath.

 

Though I think might be better if you looked at a chart every once and awhile before posting any more bullish nonsense.

LOL :rofl: its a pullback LOL :helloooo: that is what the chart says.

[MightyMouse 12]

If it didn't look like a buying opportunity to some, then price would be a whole lot lower than it is right now.

[kuokam 10]

Never mind the resident Little pretender, he forgot to put stop loss...

 

 

If it didn't look like a buying opportunity to some, then price would be a whole lot lower than it is right now.

[Patuca 13]

:haha:

Never mind the resident Little pretender, he forgot to put stop loss...

 

LOL:rofl::missy:

[Patuca 13]

Wait till july and august

 

Thanks

[SunTrader 10]

Isn't it "wait till next year"?

 

Or 2016 or ....

 

[Patuca 13]

Isn't it "wait till next year"?

 

Or 2016 or ....

 

could be LOL a body might wish to make haste and buy some. You never know. :shrug::shrug:

[Ammeo 10]

Fund Managers Cut Overall Exposure To Precious Metals, Go Short Silver - CFTC Data

Another price drop for most precious metals encouraged large speculators to continue reducing their net-long positions across the board in precious metals futures and options positions on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange and Nymex.

 

Fund managers cut bullish exposure to gold and the platinum group metals in disaggregated and legacy weekly commitments of traders report from the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, while turning net-short silver for both reports. In copper they cut bullish positions in the disaggregated report and added to bearish trades in the legacy report. The data is as of June 3.

 

Except for palladium, metals prices fell during the time period covered by the latest CFTC report. Comex August gold fell $21.20 to $1,244.50 an ounce. July silver fell by 30.40 cents to $18.763. July platinum slid by $28.80 to $1,433.50 an ounce, while June palladium rose $5.15 to $836.70. Comex July copper fell 4.05 cents to $3.1370 a pound. After the reporting period closed, precious metals prices rebounded slightly, but copper prices plunged after news reports of a financial probe at copper and aluminum warehouses in Qingdao, China.

 

In gold, managed-money traders cut 847 gross longs and added 16,482 gross shorts, lowering their net-long position to 51,064 contracts, the smallest since Jan. 21. This was the second week of a sizable build in gross short positions for fund managers. Producers’ net-short position fell again as they added gross longs and cut gross short positions. Swap dealers also saw their net-short position drop for the second week as they cut a large number of gross shorts and added longs.

 

The non-commercials action was similar in the gold legacy report as they also lowered their net-long position to the smallest since Jan. 21. They cut 1,527 gross long contracts and added 14,287 gross shorts. They are now net-long 76,895 contracts. Commercials are net-short and cut that position by cutting gross shorts and adding gross longs.

“Gold specs (speculators) continued to build short side positions with pressure mounting to the downside as U.S. economic data continues to look strong,” said TD Securities.

 

Analysts at Citi Research said the CFTC data show the fall in gold’s open interest and price during the reporting period was not just funds liquidating long positions, but it was also funds establishing new short trades.

 

Yet, the Citi analysts pointed out, funds have scaled back positioning on both sides in gold. “Given the 15% decline in combined OI (open interest) since mid-March and a very tight gold trading band in 2Q until the recent break lower, it is no surprise that gold positioning in affinity to gold price, lack a clear direction,” they said.

 

Managed-money accounts added to their net-short silver position by adding 680 gross longs and 4,286 gross shorts. Their net-short stands at 10,602 contracts, the third week they have been net short. This is the largest net-short position for the disaggregated report since the CFTC started the calculation in September 2009. Producers decreased their net-short position when they cut more gross shorts than gross longs. Swap dealers increased their net-long position by adding gross longs and cutting gross shorts.

 

TDS noted the funds’ move to a record net-short position came “with prices moving down to critical lows.”

[SunTrader 10]

could be LOL a body might wish to make haste and buy some. You never know. :shrug::shrug:

A body? I prefer using my mind to make decisions.

 

And as you know, I believe there is plenty of time to buy Gold ... and at a much lower price.

[Patuca 13]

A body? I prefer using my mind to make decisions.

 

And as you know, I believe there is plenty of time to buy Gold ... and at a much lower price.

Have you not heard of theory about catching a falling knife? Or averaging down? Yes i know both are no no's in the world of trading rules..BUT as we know via a cursory glance at any and every chart, that, price cycles..rotates...up and down. So a body may want to go long as prices are dropping and short short as prices are rising (i am not recommending this..just saying). Why? Well the end conclusion of going up is a going down. And the end conclusion of going down is a going up. Sooner, or later. True, the variables can there..i.e. it may go down then down some more and down some more and more before turning up or vice versa, but it will turn and when it does a body has loaded the boat and has a good average price...and it will be nice sunny sailing for bit littered by visits to the bank retrieving funds from brokerage between ports. Naturally, breaking the rules is not for any and everybody however, if one is able to do so it can be profitable. If one is not able to do so it can be the sinking of the sailboat.

 

Gold remains bullish regardless of what the pundits say. As a matter of fact it tis more bullish now than it was 6 months ago.

[Patuca 13]

One could possibly look at it this way...every time price goes against ones position it is actually getting closer to going in favor of ones position. So..down can be the path to up and up can be the path to down......could it be that things are not as they seem but they are as they seem not? ..in the markets could it be squares are circles and circles are squares ...bearish is bullish and bullish is bearish?

 

Markets cannot go straight up or down.

[SunTrader 10]

What you say is true ... except you still have time things.

 

Say if you started shorting in 2008 at $700 alllllll the freakin' way up till October 2011 at the alltime high of $1921 and then brilliantly :doh: started going long from then until now.

 

A body could become a buried body when they couldn't pay back the loan shark used to fund margin calls.

 

BTW averaging up or down is for suckers, plain and simple.

 

You put on a trade and let the stop do the work. Ain't no other way if you want to survive and more importantly thrive.

[Patuca 13]

What you say is true ... except you still have time things.

 

Say if you started shorting in 2008 at $700 alllllll the freakin' way up till October 2011 at the alltime high of $1921 and then brilliantly :doh: started going long from then until now.

 

A body could become a buried body when they couldn't pay back the loan shark used to fund margin calls.

 

BTW averaging up or down is for suckers, plain and simple.

 

You put on a trade and let the stop do the work. Ain't no other way if you want to survive and more importantly thrive.

like i said it isn't for everybody. IMO averaging up or down being for suckers is no longer necessarily for suckers...markets have changed and the rule carved in stoned are somewhat outmoded...out dated...the persistant belief in this one thing has probally busted more accounts than one would attempt to count.....in recent years. The world of algos..hft's has busted some of the "carved in stone" rules to pieces. Traditional SL placement is probally also guilty of busting accounts IMO. I think if a body is daytrading...working off max stop limits (for daily loss) and doing some averaging up and down is more conducive to profitability in this day and age. But again, whatever FLOATS ones boat is the way to go.

 

As concerns long time frame investing via averaging down/up can also work IMO...but again you gotta have the $ to do so.

[MightyMouse 12]

Markets can remain irrational longer than most traders can remain solvent.

 

You always have the smallest position when you are immediately right and the largest position when you are completely wrong when averaging into losing positions. Letting the stop take you out of a position is a better idea.

[Patuca 13]

Markets can remain irrational longer than most traders can remain solvent.

 

You always have the smallest position when you are immediately right and the largest position when you are completely wrong when averaging into losing positions. Letting the stop take you out of a position is a better idea.

I suppose if whipsawing is good.....:rofl:

[Patuca 13]

Sometimes you make choices in trading and sometimes choices make you.....

[MightyMouse 12]

Traders add to their losers because it frequently works. The issue is when it doesn't work.

[Patuca 13]

Traders add to their losers because it frequently works. The issue is when it doesn't work.

Point made. So....to employ averaging up/ down one must not go beyond max daily loss limit. That protects for time it doesn't pan out.

[Patuca 13]

Scaling in is also a good idea imo. But if daytrading one has to be careful to not go too far with it when taking positions, especially if, price is approaching res/sup.

[SunTrader 10]

Algo's and HFT's got nothing to do with - stops being hit, if they are placed correctly - or deciding whether or not to average LOSING trades.

 

Also timeframe matters not one bit to me. I use a max position loss, not what it does day to day.

 

I never, at least intentionally anyway, go beyond it. Never.

 

What is the sense of a having a limit but saying well just this one time. I promise. Really I do. Well ok most of the time. No, no really.

 

[Patuca 13]

Algo's and HFT's got nothing to do with - stops being hit, if they are placed correctly - or deciding whether or not to average LOSING trades.

 

Also timeframe matters not one bit to me. I use a max position loss, not what it does day to day.

 

I never, at least intentionally anyway, go beyond it. Never.

 

What is the sense of a having a limit but saying well just this one time. I promise. Really I do. Well ok most of the time. No, no really.

 

great! Maybe a good way to trade.

[SunTrader 10]

great! Maybe a good way to trade.

The right way .

[Patuca 13]

The right way .

Yes it is for you. May not be for everyone.

[Ammeo 10]

Survey Participants See Higher Gold Prices Next Week

Gold prices may drift higher next week, the majority of participants in the Kitco News Gold Survey said, based on rising geopolitical tensions in the Middle East.

 

Out of 33 participants, 24 responded this week. Of those, 16 see prices higher, three see prices lower and five see prices trading sideways or are neutral. Market participants include bullion dealers, investment banks, futures traders and technical-chart analysts.

 

Last week, survey participants were bearish for this week. As of 11:30 a.m. EDT, Comex August gold was up about $21 for the week.

 

Those participants who see higher prices said the news out of Iraq, that insurgents seized Mosul, a town near one of Iraq’s biggest oil pipelines, underpins gold prices for the time being. However, most participants who see higher prices, such as Adam Klopfenstein, market strategist with Archer Financial Services, said they’re not seeing sizable gains next week because values are bumping into technical chart resistance. That ceiling starts around $1,280 an ounce.

 

“I’m mildly bullish,” Klopfenstein said.

 

Those who see weaker prices next week said gold’s strength based on geopolitical factors can be fleeting, especially if events change and the insurgency loses momentum. Additionally, there is the Federal Open Market Committee meeting next week and that may reinforce ideas that the U.S. economy is slowly strengthening.

 

“I think the Iraq situation shook everybody up. Oil rallied sharply and we were able to push gold higher…. But I’m not convinced that we won’t see more downside. I think you can cautiously sell rallies if we get to $1,280.

 

Thirteen hundred is the big resistance. If we don’t find any more news then we’ll probably go back to $1,240. There’s the FOMC next week; that’s worth watching. That could change things quickly. And it’s another reason why I would sell rallies,” said Afshin Nabavi, head of trading at trading house MKS (Switzerland) SA in Geneva.

 

A few survey participants said they see gold holding in a trading range as the geopolitical news isn’t enough to push it above current resistance levels between $1,280 and $1,300, while the FOMC meeting isn’t likely to be enough to push gold under support between $1,250 and $1,240.