Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

Guest Tresor

The Killer of MetaTrader, an Ass-kicking Trading Platform

Recommended Posts

Guest Tresor

Guys, I just recently put my hands on PT Multistation: ( Link Deleted by Moderator) and was floored :)

 

The developers are from Ukraine and they definitely managed to arrive to a concept of a trading platform of my dreams (excepts for the charting which sucks).

 

The concept is simple:

(i) a trading and charting platform that supports many coding languages (EasyLanguage, MQL and C#);

(ii) a platform that you can connect to many data feeds at the same time (from what I was able to grasp from the forum the developers' team adds a new feed within a week from a request by customers - guys are pretty fast;

(iii) a platform that has a growing number of supported brokers (from stocks through forex, options to spread betting); you can place discretionary and automated trades and manage multiple accounts;

(iv) a platform that is freakishly easy customizable (all items are dockable and lockable);

(v) a platform that has Microsoft Office 2007 or 2010 easy interface and navigation;

(vi) a team of developers that is customer-oriented and does not grumble if they have to do something like e.g. add a new broker.

 

I am attaching a few screenshots so that you could get the idea of what this piece of software is capable of. I seriously think that when they improve their charting (hopefully they will reach the quality of MultiCharts), they will become the best trading platform.

 

The application is rather big - it occupies 90 MB of my storage, but this is what one should expect from a piece of software that was written for traders with multiple needs in mind.

 

If only they could improve the charting (bar alignment, trendlines, etc.)....

 

Try their free demo and tell me what you think, if you have time.

 

Regards

2010-01-17_115111.thumb.png.c80a5e3a7f52b813af7ec032947bdac3.png

2010-01-17_122501.thumb.png.6a1bc58180d921db2d18e6fdcbb9a77f.png

2010-01-17_120437.thumb.png.a8ee8d8d8d757cfdfe170d9169fe5687.png

2010-01-17_120325.thumb.png.2fd078b21e9461bdeca5e53975f2dde6.png

2010-01-17_115803.thumb.png.86a9b1d91c5f6868036f95d74ee65d2b.png

scr1_big.jpg.66944bb2a59b33276c785e470b24fb8b.jpg

Edited by Mysticforex

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tresor

It seems that small brokers like OEC or Transact do not know this platform but top brokers start to recognize it, e.g. Rosenthal Collins for forex: ( Link Deleted by Moderator)

Edited by Mysticforex

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I tried it, it certainly has potential but it was just a personal vibe of the thing that I did not like so I will not persist with it.

While I think it certainly has lots of potential and might revisit it down the track.:2c:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tresor

I especially didn't like / hated their chating and drowing tools. Horrible.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Tresor, thanks for starting this thread and your useful feedback about our PT multistation terminal for traders.

 

Actually, we were wondering if you could expand on your couple of negative comments about the "...horrible chatting and drawing tools." It would be great if you could tell us specifically what you did not like about them and why...

 

Thanks again :)

 

PFSoft Support

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

DugDug,

 

Thanks for your comments about our PT multistation terminal for traders.

 

I was wondering if you could explain what you mean by "...personal vibe." I mean what exactly was it that you did not like?

 

We value the opinion and input of all our users as we are constantly trying to listen to customers to improve our software, and to innovate to respond to changing market requirements.

 

Also, a BIG THANKS to TradersLab for facilitating useful discussion about or products!

 

Cheers,

 

PFSoft Support

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tresor
  pfsoft_support said:
Actually, we were wondering if you could expand on your couple of negative comments about the "...horrible chatting and drawing tools." It would be great if you could tell us specifically what you did not like about them and why...

 

I would need to get a new demo and make some screeshots to explain I what meant by horrible charting and inconvenient drawing tools.

 

As far as drawing tools are concerned I didn't like the concept of placing them on the chart. I would rather prefer to have them placed on the bar, like in MT4.

 

As far as charting goes make this excercise: draw a trendline - the start of a trendline will be point A, the end will be point B, then create an extention / ray of this trendline in a way that this ray will be crossing a price bar somewhere in future.

 

Then change the resolution from 1 minute to 3 minutes to 1 hour to 4 hours, etc. What you will notice is that point C will vary GREATLY from one resolution to another resolution. E.g. when on 1 minute resolution the ray crossed the price bar at 122, on 5 minute resolution the ray may very well cross the price bar at 132, and on 30 minute resolution the ray may cross the price at 112. You do not know which trendline to trust.

 

This is a result of incorrect bar thickness and / or bar spacing on respective resolutions.

 

MT4 cannot do it properly either, neither JForex can do it properly, nor many other platforms I tried. The only charting software that is acceptable for me in this respect is MC.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tresor

Okay,

 

I made 3 pictures based on MT4 to explain the problem I had with your software. The catch is that the ideal product for me should adjust:

(i) thickness of bars

(ii) spacing between bars

when a trader changes resolution.

 

When the algorithim in a charting platform for (i) and (ii) is incorrect this results in trendlines being untrustworthy.

 

Look at the screenshots (a picture is worth a thousand words) to get the idea of what I am talking about. However, whatever inconveniences I may have experienced while testing your demo platform, I still think you have the best business concept in the world: 1 single platform that supports many data feeds and many brokers at the same time. No other platform does it the way yours does :)

 

And it was my purpose by starting this thread to show that there are software developers who are capable to think the way a trader does, which I think is a compliment for you guys.

5aa70ff75fe45_trendline4H.thumb.png.54bd2a5c7d206d9c692fc528e9e927bd.png

5aa70ff764c68_trendline1H.thumb.png.e0d266653932faf08a87822ce8afd5c8.png

5aa70ff769a58_trendline15M.thumb.png.e3d34457d07e53336ff3c320c4bc897d.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tresor

I just checked 5 minute resolution of the same instrument on MT4. Unlike 15 M it plots trendline below the point indicated with the arrow. One does not know which trendline one should trust.

 

Now you guys can do the same excercise on your platform and introduce changes. If your platform can achieve a much better accuracy than Metatrader (which shoudn't be too difficult given Metatrader inaccuracy), then you will be one step closer to a success.

5aa70ff779944_trendline5M.thumb.png.66b84fbc95f21e7f956d9d60c5698c33.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I looked at the trial - and admittedly fairly briefly over a day or two. For me it was simple I just did not like the feel of it - so it is more a personal vibe than anything else... a bit like apple v PC. It looked like it had a lot of potential - functions, bells and whistles and for those who like beta testing I would say go for it. For me - I have other projects to do in my spare time at present.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  Tresor said:
Then change the resolution from 1 minute to 3 minutes to 1 hour to 4 hours, etc. What you will notice is that point C will vary GREATLY from one resolution to another resolution. E.g. when on 1 minute resolution the ray crossed the price bar at 122, on 5 minute resolution the ray may very well cross the price bar at 132, and on 30 minute resolution the ray may cross the price at 112. You do not know which trendline to trust.

 

This is a result of incorrect bar thickness and / or bar spacing on respective resolutions

 

Hi there,

 

Unless I totally misunderstand what you are saying here, the problem you describe has nothing to do with error in the charting package but is a sad fact of trendlines. By changing the interval you are adding / removing bars and that is going to change how your trendline interacts with the bars. It's no error with the charting package, it is just a fact with trendlines and IMHO, really makes trendline concepts flakey.

 

With kind regards,

MK

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have not looked at this platform (yet). Anything I would look at now would need similar data handling capabilities of NeoTicker (particularly there tick precise technology...very important).

 

Nice bonuses would be ...Easy Language support. Drawing and visualisation of Ensign (it just look so damn pretty). Ninjas chart trader.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tresor
  MidKnight said:
By changing the interval you are adding / removing bars and that is going to change how your trendline interacts with the bars. It's no error with the charting package, it is just a fact with trendlines and IMHO, really makes trendline concepts flakey

 

Adding / removing bars on one hand should be offset / compensated with adequate decreasing / increasing bar spacing and bar thickness.

 

I tested a number of charting packages,some of them can do it with acceptable quality, yet some are disaster.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Tresor,

 

After investigating your interesting (and ass-kicking!) comments, our conclusion is that the logic of how our algorithm works means that what you are describing is not a programming bug, but rather correct functioning of the system (i.e. the way it was designed) so as the be logical and useful.

 

Please see the attached screenshot with 1-minute candles. In this example the line does NOT touch any candle, but if this chart is converted to 15-min intervals then the line will touch the new single candle which will occupy the area of the red box (note in this case, of course, the 15 candles in the red box, will be converted to just one candle when changing the chart period/interval).

 

Note also that this is true for whichever of our 5 line types are used (e.g. freehand):

 

However, we will try to look how MC works, but it would be good if you could explain the logic you think it uses. We would greatly appreciate your further input if you have ideas how it would be possible to usefully change the logic here…

answer.png.43d676cd3d52f4ee55bcb1d39b6095d2.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As Midknight said, this is really a function of how trendlines function. I don't agree that it makes them flakey - it illustrates one of the reasons that price often respects the zone around a tl, rather than the exact intersection.

 

If you try to automatically change for time (by aggregating bars to create the higher timeframe connection when lengthening the timeframe) you need to consider how it will work in the shortening direction as well ... you may need to record the point of contact on short timeframes internally so that when someone lengthens and goes back it looks the same.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tresor
  pfsoft_support said:
Please see the attached screenshot with 1-minute candles. In this example the line does NOT touch any candle, but if this chart is converted to 15-min intervals then the line will touch the new single candle which will occupy the area of the red box (note in this case, of course, the 15 candles in the red box, will be converted to just one candle when changing the chart period/interval).

 

From my experience with different platforms, no charting software can achieve 100% accuracy. This is probably impossible because if you anchor a trendline to 1M bar on 08.32 then if you change the resolution from 1M to 15M the platform will anchor the same trendline somewhere between 08.30 - 08.45. So no 100% accuracy is achievable on small set of data (like your picture).

 

Some of the platforms I tested however are more accurate on larger data set (''longer distances''), e.g. MC is such a platform that I can trust with regard to trendlines in region of 95%. But I trust MT4 only in region of 40%.

 

My suggestion to you guys would be to load AUDJPY data (the same instrument I used in my previous posts) into your platform and run comparative studies against MT4, MC, Ninja, etc. on the same example as I used.

 

If your programme is better than the above mentioned ones, you might want of course to advertise this: ''our trendlines are most trustable in the business. are better than those in Ninja and MT4'', or something similar.

 

But if your trendlines happen to be less trustable than MT4, Ninja, others, you might not want to advertise this or you might want to improve your trendlines.

 

  pfsoft_support said:
However, we will try to look how MC works, but it would be good if you could explain the logic you think it uses.

 

Trendlines in MC tend to be the same regardless of the resolution chosen (no 100% accuracy of course). I have no idea what logic MC uses to adjust bar thickness and bar spacing as a trader changes resolution. Whatever these guys did, it works quite well (screenshots attached - whatever resolution I chose, 1M, 2M, 2H, 1D,... the trendline extention shows almost the same point).

 

If I were a developer a charting platform, I would draw multiple trendlines on 1M resolution accross a large time frame (assuming this is the correct one). Then I would switch the resolutions from 1M to 2M to 3M to .... and see if they match. If the don't match, I would correct the bar spacing on the resolution that mismatches (either decrease by 0....000001 of a minute or increase by 0.0....000001 of a minute, to arrive at a solution in which all resolutions have the same trendlines.

 

Nothing else comes to my mind.

 

  pfsoft_support said:
We would greatly appreciate your further input if you have ideas how it would be possible to usefully change the logic here…

 

Music for my ears. You could implement sheer bar candles the ones that you have in MT4. The ones you have at the moment certainly are candy for eyes: nice rounding, nice shadows - looks like 3D, but personally I like the old fashioned ones that do not distract me from trading.

5aa70ff94c0bf_MCES1H.thumb.png.914321979acfc0f65aa276ec5d1b8862.png

5aa70ff9544a1_MCES1M.thumb.png.843d2b587133b2826b92afbbe7ac4093.png

5aa70ff95c1bb_MCES20M.thumb.png.99f0652047cb54805e15126b609d1ca3.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you again Tresor (and Kiwi) - we really appreciate your detailed explanations so that we can get to the crux of the problem here and hopefully come up with something.

 

We are sure however, that the math logic is correct:

  Quote
e.g. trendline to 1M bar on 08.32 then if you change the resolution from 1M to 15M the platform will anchor the same trendline somewhere between 08.30 - 08.45. So no 100% accuracy is achievable on small set of data (like your picture).

 

So, if you are not convinced, then could you possibly send us an example of a screenshot, but using OUR CHARTS this time?

 

Also, concerning bars

  Quote
...candy for eyes: nice rounding, nice shadows - looks like 3D...
, you can turn this functionality off if you want.

 

Thanks again Tresor, and we look forward to your screenshot if you could may be find time again to assist again, but please use our software for it, so we can reproduce it...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tresor
  pfsoft_support said:
So, if you are not convinced, then could you possibly send us an example of a screenshot, but using OUR CHARTS this time?

 

Sure, will you give me 2nd demo trial?

 

  pfsoft_support said:
Also, concerning bars , you can turn this functionality off if you want.

 

I didn't know this, I only played around with your software for a few hours and decided it was worth applauding in this forum :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tresor

I sent an e-mail. So much happening on forex, I will be able to test the platform earliest during the weekend.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Tresor

Guys,

 

I am sorry I will not be able to test your platform. Too much work at my end. Maybe in future when I have more time.

 

At the moment I cannot devote the time that your MultiStation certainly deserves.

 

Regards, and congrats on a good product.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Tresor, thanks for the note, and we'd really like to express our appreciation for all your hard work and comments.

 

We can give you a free demo if/when you do get time to do more testing, it would be great if you continue to post anything you find interesting...

 

You may also be interested in looking at our forum: ProTrader Trading Platform Official Forum

 

Cheers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello quicksilver03,

 

Such an option is available in PT multistation. You can minimize the Ribbon menu. This is possible in two ways:

 

1. Click on the small down arrow near the top left corner and then click "Minimize the ribbon".

2. In the next release it will be possible to do this by double clicking on the menu.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Date: 7th April 2025.   Asian Markets Plunge as US-China Trade War Escalates; Wall Street Futures Signal Further Turmoil.   Global financial markets extended last week’s massive sell-off as tensions between the US and its major trading partners deepened, rattling investors and prompting sharp declines across equities, commodities, and currencies. The fallout from President Trump’s sweeping new tariff measures continued to spread, raising fears of a full-blown trade war and economic recession.   Asian stock markets plunged on Monday, extending a global market rout fueled by rising tensions between the US and China. The latest wave of aggressive tariffs and retaliatory measures has unnerved investors worldwide, triggering sharp sell-offs across the Asia-Pacific region.   Asian equities led the global rout on Monday, with dramatic losses seen across the region. Japan’s Nikkei 225 index tumbled more than 8% shortly after the open, while the broader Topix fell over 6.5%, recovering only slightly from steeper losses. In mainland China, the Shanghai Composite sank 6.7%, and the blue-chip CSI300 dropped 7.5% as markets reopened following a public holiday. Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index opened more than 9% lower, reflecting deep concerns about escalating trade tensions.           South Korea’s Kospi dropped 4.8%, triggering a circuit breaker designed to curb panic selling. Taiwan’s Taiex index collapsed by nearly 10%, with major tech exporters like TSMC and Foxconn hitting circuit breaker limits after each fell close to 10%. Meanwhile, Australia’s ASX 200 shed as much as 6.3%, and New Zealand’s NZX 50 lost over 3.5%.   Despite the escalation, Beijing has adopted a measured tone. Chinese officials urged investors not to panic and assured markets that the country has the tools to mitigate economic shocks. At the same time, they left the door open for renewed trade talks, though no specific timeline has been set.   US Stock Futures Plunge Ahead of Monday Open   US stock futures pointed to another brutal day on Wall Street. Futures tied to the S&P 500 dropped over 3%, Nasdaq futures sank 4%, and Dow Jones futures lost 2.5%—equivalent to nearly 1,000 points. The Nasdaq Composite officially entered a bear market on Friday, down more than 20% from its recent highs, while the S&P 500 is nearing bear territory. The Dow closed last week in correction. Oil prices followed suit, with WTI crude dropping over 4% to $59.49 per barrel—its lowest since April 2021.   Wall Street closed last week in disarray, erasing more than $5 trillion in value amid fears of an all-out trade war. The Nasdaq Composite officially entered a bear market on Friday, sinking more than 20% from its recent peak. The S&P 500 is approaching bear territory, and the Dow Jones Industrial Average has slipped firmly into correction territory.   German Banks Hit Hard Amid Escalating Trade Tensions   German banking stocks were among the worst hit in Europe. Shares of Commerzbank and Deutsche Bank plunged between 9.5% and 10.3% during early Frankfurt trading, compounding Friday’s steep losses. Fears over a global trade war and looming recession are severely impacting the financial sector, particularly export-driven economies like Germany.   Eurozone Growth at Risk   Eurozone officials are bracing for economic fallout, with Greek central bank governor Yannis Stournaras warning that Trump’s tariff policy could reduce eurozone GDP by up to 1%. The EU is preparing retaliatory tariffs on $28 billion worth of American goods—ranging from steel and aluminium to consumer products like dental floss and luxury jewellery.   Starting Wednesday, the US is expected to impose 25% tariffs on key EU exports, with Brussels ready to respond with its own 20% levies on nearly all remaining American imports.   UK Faces £22 Billion Economic Blow   In the UK, fresh research from KPMG revealed that the British economy could shrink by £21.6 billion by 2027 due to US-imposed tariffs. The analysis points to a 0.8% dip in economic output over the next two years, undermining Chancellor Rachel Reeves’ growth agenda. The report also warned of additional fiscal pressure that may lead to future tax increases and public spending cuts.   Wall Street Braces for Recession   Goldman Sachs revised its US recession probability to 45% within the next year, citing tighter financial conditions and rising policy uncertainty. This marks a sharp jump from the 35% risk estimated just last month—and more than double January’s 20% projection. J.P. Morgan issued a bleaker outlook, now forecasting a 60% chance of recession both in the US and globally.   Global Leaders Respond as Trade Tensions Deepen   The dramatic market sell-off was triggered by China’s sweeping retaliation to a new round of US tariffs, which included a 34% levy on all American imports. Beijing’s state-run People’s Daily released a defiant statement, asserting that China has the tools and resilience to withstand economic pressure from Washington. ‘We’ve built up experience after years of trade conflict and are prepared with a full arsenal of countermeasures,’ it stated.   Around the world, policymakers are responding to the growing threat of a trade-led economic slowdown. Japanese Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba announced plans to appeal directly to Washington and push for tariff relief, following the US administration’s decision to impose a blanket 24% tariff on Japanese imports. He aims to visit the US soon to present Japan’s case as a fair trade partner.   In Taiwan, President Lai Ching-te said his administration would work closely with Washington to remove trade barriers and increase purchases of American goods in an effort to reduce the bilateral trade deficit. The island's defence ministry has also submitted a new list of US military procurements to highlight its strategic partnership.   Economists and strategists are warning of deeper economic consequences. Ronald Temple, chief market strategist at Lazard, said the scale and speed of these tariffs could result in far more severe damage than previously anticipated. ‘This isn’t just a bilateral conflict anymore — more countries are likely to respond in the coming weeks,’ he noted.   Analysts at Barclays cautioned that smaller Asian economies, such as Singapore and South Korea, may face challenges in negotiating with Washington and are already adjusting their economic growth forecasts downward in response to the unfolding trade crisis.           Oil Prices Sink on Demand Concerns   Crude oil continued its sharp slide on Monday, driven by recession fears and weakened global demand. Brent fell 3.9% to $63.04 a barrel, while WTI plunged over 4% to $59.49—both benchmarks marking weekly losses exceeding 10%. Analysts say inflationary pressures and slowing economic activity may drag demand down, even though energy imports were excluded from the latest round of tariffs.   Vandana Hari of Vanda Insights noted, ‘The market is struggling to find a bottom. Until there’s a clear signal from Trump that calms recession fears, crude prices will remain under pressure.’   OPEC+ Adds Further Pressure with Output Hike   Bearish sentiment intensified after OPEC+ announced it would boost production by 411,000 barrels per day in May, far surpassing the expected 135,000 bpd. The alliance called on overproducing nations to submit compensation plans by April 15. Analysts fear this surprise move could undo years of supply discipline and weigh further on already fragile oil markets.   Global political risks also flared over the weekend. Iran rejected US proposals for direct nuclear negotiations and warned of potential military action. Meanwhile, Russia claimed fresh territorial gains in Ukraine’s Sumy region and ramped up attacks on surrounding areas—further darkening the outlook for markets.   Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business.   Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report.   Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar.   Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding of how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE!   Click HERE to READ more Market news.   Andria Pichidi HFMarkets   Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in Leveraged Products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • AMZN Amazon stock watch, good buying (+313%) toi hold onto the 173.32 support area at https://stockconsultant.com/?AMZN
    • META stock watch, local support and resistance areas at 507.48, 557.84 at https://stockconsultant.com/?META
    • TMUS T-Mobile stock, watch for a top of range breakout at https://stockconsultant.com/?TMUS
    • KULR KULR Technology stock watch, pullback to 1.25 triple support area with bullish indicators at https://stockconsultant.com/?KULR
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.