The Price / Volume Relationship

[romanus 10]

romanus,

 

at 14:05 there is an IBGS that pierces the lateral formation, shouldn't this end the lateral?

 

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thanks,

 

innersky

Aside from the issue of what does, and what doesn't end the lateral - the bar in question (14:05) seems to me to be different from any other bar that 'pierces' the lateral's boundary. Specifically, it opens outside of the lateral and closes inside it. I personally differentiate this type of context from the situation where bar would open inside the lateral. My observations (which are yet to be proven wrong by me) so far lead me to consider the type of bars that 14:05 represent to be the continuation of the lateral movement.

[romanus 10]

Wednesday, September 2, 2009.

[rs5 10]

Channel level R2R........

[rs5 10]

Wednesday 2 September 2009

[ptunic 10]

Wednesday, September 2, 2009

[ptunic 10]

Thursday, September 3, 2009

[rs5 10]

Thursday 3 September 2009

[romanus 10]

Thursday, September 3, 2009.

[ehorn 10]

Thursday, September 3, 2009.

 

Gets my vote... Ending the day in that DOM lateral still has me looking for PT2 confirmation on the 5M tape though

 

EDIT: Better double check my data provider on that one @ EOD (No LAT). Though personally, I am not comfortable calling 15:15 ET a PT2... So PFC has me looking for PT3 of tape then IBV to PT2 of traverse.

Edited September 4, 2009 by ehorn

[ehorn 10]

Were you just referring to "hold" with the reference to flaws, or something else?

 

Sorry for the delay in responding Ez - IMO, the segment had the appearance of non-dominance.

[Ezzy 10]

Thursday, September 3, 2009.

 

I have a question on your 5:15 - 15:30 pt2 to 3 retrace of a traverse. Is that because of the non-dom lateral, as this section doesn't have increasing volume?

[romanus 10]

...Though personally, I am not comfortable calling 15:15 ET a PT2... So PFC has me looking for PT3 of tape then IBV to PT2 of traverse.

 

I have a question on your 5:15 - 15:30 pt2 to 3 retrace of a traverse. Is that because of the non-dom lateral, as this section doesn't have increasing volume?

 

IMO, the type of EH that developed on 15:15 - 15:20 bars, coupled with the accelerated down tape drawn to the 15:25 FBP, satisfies the requirements for a 5 m ES Level Traverse's retrace. EH, as I am observing, can be treated as a lateral tape, and in this context seems to fit as one.

 

That would put the Point Two of the accelerated traverse at 16:00 bar where my medium black increasing gaussian should have been ended, and medium decreasing red from that point forward. ( My last gaussian is drawn incorrectly - it should be medium decreasing red from 16:00 to EOD)

[Ezzy 10]

IMO, the type of EH that developed on 15:15 - 15:20 bars, coupled with the accelerated down tape drawn to the 15:25 FBP, satisfies the requirements for a 5 m ES Level Traverse's retrace. EH, as I am observing, can be treated as a lateral tape, and in this context seems to fit as one.

 

That would put the Point Two of the accelerated traverse at 16:00 bar where my medium black increasing gaussian should have been ended, and medium decreasing red from that point forward. ( My last gaussian is drawn incorrectly - it should be medium decreasing red from 16:00 to EOD)

I agree with the way you have it annotated, as it looks right. Though for different reasons. The tape acceleration is valid in certain circumstances, but I have a very similar example (to this) where it definitely isn't, so I appreciate this example for comparison purposes. Back to the charts for more review. Will keep in mind your view on the EH's and FBP's as well. Thanks - EZ

[rs5 10]

update on es daily, 2b in progress

Edited September 4, 2009 by rs5

[romanus 10]

I agree with the way you have it annotated, as it looks right. Though for different reasons. The tape acceleration is valid in certain circumstances, but I have a very similar example (to this) where it definitely isn't, so I appreciate this example for comparison purposes.

Let me have a crack at it, if you don't mind.

 

Will keep in mind your view on the EH's and FBP's as well.

Obviously, the market indicated that the combo of EH lateral tape and FBP tape isn't sufficient for a 5 m ES Level Traverse's retrace. I don't think I missed any other factors that may influence the termination of medium B2B.

[rs5 10]

Friday 4 September 2009

[Ezzy 10]

Let me have a crack at it, if you don't mind.

 

Obviously, the market indicated that the combo of EH lateral tape and FBP tape isn't sufficient for a 5 m ES Level Traverse's retrace. I don't think I missed any other factors that may influence the termination of medium B2B.

 

Caught that this morning too, my other reasons obviously didn't work out. I'll try to dig up that example for you.

[ehorn 10]

...I don't think I missed any other factors that may influence the termination of medium B2B.

 

For my annotations, it took the day to complete medium B2B.

[ljyoung 10]

I agree with romanus and ehorn that the first leg up is done. The termination was quick and clean as opposed to the schlock we have been wading through (as 5 min ES traders) for the past few days.

Edited September 4, 2009 by ljyoung
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[NYCMB 10]

Let me have a crack at it, if you don't mind.

 

Obviously, the market indicated that the combo of EH lateral tape and FBP tape isn't sufficient for a 5 m ES Level Traverse's retrace. I don't think I missed any other factors that may influence the termination of medium B2B.

 

Hi romanus,

Is it because point 2 of Medium Blue up Traverse overlapped with Medium Pink Down Traverse?

[cnms2 10]

Hi romanus,

Is it because point 2 of Medium Blue up Traverse overlapped with Medium Pink Down Traverse?

Check the volume ...

[ljyoung 10]

Hi romanus,

Is it because point 2 of Medium Blue up Traverse overlapped with Medium Pink Down Traverse?

 

The close of the bar in question is NOT in the overlap zone. Look at Jack's CP4. It's all laid out there. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?

[romanus 10]

Hi romanus,

Is it because point 2 of Medium Blue up Traverse overlapped with Medium Pink Down Traverse?

What is annotated in the snip as Point Two of the blue medium thickness Traverse is actually a point 2 of the tape. I am not sure what you mean by overlapped, but 15:15 breaks pink medium trendline and as such, I believe satisfies the necessary conditions for Point Two of the Traverse. However, what comes next, IMO, may define, what I have erroneously annotated with medium thickness blue trendlines, as just a tape. A retrace is formed by EH lateral tape and FBP tape. This, I suspect, could the reason for everything from 14:45 forward to EOD to be a tape and not a Traverse. However, I could be wrong, and the real issue may be somewhere else ( I can't exclude the 14:25 lateral from consideration). My comment about not missing other factors determining the termination of medium B2B was premature. Until I am able to locate a few examples that allow apple to apple comparison, the question whether or not a combo of EH lateral tape and FBP tape is suffiecient for a Traverse's retrace remains open for me.

 

P.S. As far as the comment about checking the volume, I'd be very beware of generalized suggestions which are not supported by tangible examples of contexts which lend themselves to 'apple to apple' comparison.

[cnms2 10]

... P.S. As far as the comment about checking the volume, I'd be very beware of generalized suggestions which are not supported by tangible examples of contexts which lend themselves to 'apple to apple' comparison.

Actually my suggestion was meant to be taken ad litteram. I know that one of the main factors that prevent most of the pupils of this method from breaking the profitability barrier is that they don't pay enough attention to volume.

 

I avoid giving direct advice, which would be my interpretation of Spydertrader's posts in light of my experience, because I think that for each one of us the best way to crack this method is to start from the source.

 

At two months from the starting of this thread my best advice to those who care to take it is to re-read all, and only, Spydertrader's posts here, paying attention to each word, not skipping but also not adding (inventing) anything. Spydertrader chooses very carefully his words, and only when "you know" you fully understand what he meant, and what he didn't mean. One example that comes to mind: "The market defines a Traverse based on Volume."

[ptunic 10]

Friday, September 4, 2009