The Price / Volume Relationship

[ehorn 10]

Volume leads Price. Always. And without exception.

 

...Succinctly, unless and until the components of one fractal reach completion, the next slower fractal cannot begin. It trading terms, unless and until the Volume Cycle Sequences reach completion, the current Price Trend cannot end...

 

QFT... Every Fractal contains the exact same components. Learning to observe them manifest is the process of differentiation.

[romanus 10]

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... somehow or rather, 11:50 (8/21) doesn't seem like a Point 2 of the Traverse to me. Perhaps for the same reason, that 12:35 (7/15) wasn't. In fact, I can't seem to put even the skinny gaussians on the volume pane for the last two trading days. Feels a bit freaky.

[ehorn 10]

... somehow or rather, 11:50 (8/21) doesn't seem like a Point 2 of the Traverse to me. Perhaps for the same reason, that 12:35 (7/15) wasn't. In fact, I can't seem to put even the skinny gaussians on the volume pane for the last two trading days. Feels a bit freaky.

 

Hey romanus,

 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I can see your view. Perhaps I have annotated sub-fractals. I still find it astonishing that the sequences can be observed within internals.

[cnms2 10]

Spydertrader's post #23 example.

[Monkman 10]

Attached is gaussian diagram superimposed on one of Spydertrader's annotated charts. I have drawn in two arrows that point out areas where the volume gaussians are labeled differently than the diagram. Am I blind or is this labeling clearly different?

 

I am struggling like many others trying to get the volume annotations down. Is there anything else that can be said that would help us label these volume bars correctly?

Thanks,

-Monkman

[cnms2 10]

Attached is gaussian diagram superimposed on one of Spydertrader's annotated charts. I have drawn in two arrows that point out areas where the volume gaussians are labeled differently than the diagram. Am I blind or is this labeling clearly different?

 

I am struggling like many others trying to get the volume annotations down. Is there anything else that can be said that would help us label these volume bars correctly?

Thanks,

-Monkman

I was actually curious to understand what you're showing and asking, but I couldn't figure it out ...

[cnms2 10]

Hey romanus,

 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I can see your view. Perhaps I have annotated sub-fractals. I still find it astonishing that the sequences can be observed within internals.

This is the way I've annotated that area:

[ehorn 10]

Morning Trade... Doing the MADA - Gathering Data Sets - Continuation or Change...

[Monkman 10]

01-17-08 08:16 AM

 

Quote from dkm:

 

Frequently I see increasing volume on the non dom traverse from pt2 to pt3 and then pt3 forms with decreasing volume in the dominant direction. This is not a rare occurence and it continues to confuse me.

 

 

 

Three things create the scenario you describe.

 

1. Formation Break Outs (as you have in your clip)

 

2. 'Missed' (ommitted annotation) channels

 

3. Intra-Bar Gaussian Shift (Price switches from Dominant to Non-Dominant Intra-Bar)

 

If you have any (or a combination) of the three, anticipate seeing increasing Volume on the Non-Dominant Traverse.

 

- Spydertrader

[Monkman 10]

Referring to the gaussian diagram, it says, "Increasing Red Gaussian until price will not go any lower within the down channel."

 

And on the first page of this thread it says, "volume leads price always without exception." So how far in advance can you expect for volume to tell you when, "price will not go any lower within the down channel."

 

If there is anyway to give a more specific explanation or another illustration of what "leading" volume means?

[Avi 8 10]

Attached is gaussian diagram superimposed on one of Spydertrader's annotated charts. I have drawn in two arrows that point out areas where the volume gaussians are labeled differently than the diagram. Am I blind or is this labeling clearly different? ...

 

Please review post #396, third sentence.

[rs5 10]

Monday 24 August 2009

[ehorn 10]

My view of the day...

[cnms2 10]

Referring to the gaussian diagram, it says, "Increasing Red Gaussian until price will not go any lower within the down channel."

 

And on the first page of this thread it says, "volume leads price always without exception." So how far in advance can you expect for volume to tell you when, "price will not go any lower within the down channel."

 

If there is anyway to give a more specific explanation or another illustration of what "leading" volume means?

Let me try this, although I anticipate that you'll not be satisfied.

[cnms2 10]

Monday 24 August 2009

I believe the two accelerated RTL's were significant.

Edited August 24, 2009 by cnms2

[Monkman 10]

My attempt at labeling gaussians on the tape,traverse, and channel level.

[rs5 10]

Morning Trade... Doing the MADA - Gathering Data Sets - Continuation or Change...

 

Thank you so much, that was very helpful!!

[ptunic 10]

Monday, Aug 24 2009 attached.

[rs5 10]

I believe the two accelerated RTL's were significant.

 

Thank you so much!! I appreciate your input.

 

Please - what does "accelerated" mean?

Edited August 25, 2009 by rs5

[Avi 8 10]

Please - what does "accelerated" mean?

 

Increase in slope of the trendline.

[cnms2 10]

Duplicated reply. Don't know how to delete it ...

Edited August 25, 2009 by cnms2

[rs5 10]

Duplicated reply. Don't know how to delete it ...

 

Okay, Thank you, I see the additional blue up RTL and red down RTL that you show. I appreciate that. When that happens, I guess the market is indicating increased momentum in that direction? Which means I should be alerted to??

It looks like it is forming a wedge which means be on alert for a reversal?

[romanus 10]

My view of the day...

Please disregard my previous comment re: Point Two. It was rigth there, staring me in the face, wondering how I kept missing it, LOL.

[cnms2 10]

Okay, Thank you, I see the additional blue up RTL and red down RTL that you show. I appreciate that. When that happens, I guess the market is indicating increased momentum in that direction? Which means I should be alerted to??

It looks like it is forming a wedge which means be on alert for a reversal?

I just see it as the new rtl. Don't care for wedges, but a steeper rtl is easier to break.

[Monkman 10]

Let me try this, although I anticipate that you'll not be satisfied.

 

I really appreciate your help. Very few people like yourself have gotten this trading style down, so I can't thank you enough for your comments.

 

I suppose the issue is one of two things: The questions I am asking are not the right ones, or I am not able to see the correct answer at this point.

So I think for the benefit of others, I'll continue to re read the 2009, instructions, and abstain from posting on this thread.

 

- Monkman