Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

Mel_Function

"Globex" or "Daily Session" Value Area / POC for Trading?

Recommended Posts

Hi Guys,

 

I've discovered the MP concept a few months ago and still learning how to use it for my trading. Most of the time I use the pre-day Value Area / POC in my charts. I would like to know which calculation for the VA / POC you guys prefer, the complete 24h Globex Session or the normal "daily session"?

 

As everything in trading I noticed that some day the Globex data has better results, the other day the Daily Session calculation of VA and POC works better.

 

Thank you!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i don't pay much attention to overnight profiles or pocs. even though the globex session is 2.5 times the RTH session, volume is usually about 20-25% of RTH. i do want to know the overnight range and any significant reference points (i.e. reaction to news events or reports, etc). otherwise, i rely on the daily RTH profile.

 

hth

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi All,

 

I use volume profile for the 24h session and market profile for daily session. In this way I can see the volume traded during the 24 hours and its relevant points (VA, POC etc). The daily session is more relevant if you use the market profile, during the first hour of the session you are given a high/low that with 95% chances will not be broken.

 

During the daily session you have 2mln volume traded while from midnight to the open about 140k.

 

:-)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The daily session is more relevant if you use the market profile, during the first hour of the session you are given a high/low that with 95% chances will not be broken.

 

I don't know the stats or what market you refer to, but I would suggest the opposite is true i.e. majority of the time the high or low from the first hour will be broken.

 

If you mean that it's likely one of the extremes from the 1st hour will hold then I would agree to an extent but not anywhere near 95% of the time. For example, there is a post on TL somewhere that suggests that the high/low for the ES is made in the first hour 66% of the time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yeah, this is due to my bad English. I meant that in many days the high or low traded during the first hour session gives you a solid support/resistance, this is simple in words but not that easy for me, for example, to find it out during the live session. Studying the mps at the end of the session it has a quite high probability to happen, better if confirmed by long buy/sell tails, minus etc.

Thanks for your comment :-)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi guys,

Glad you started this thread; most of the big time traders I know of say that they get their levels from the Big S&P and Dow.

Cheers,

email

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think you are talking to the wrong "big" traders since the big contracts have less cumulative volume than the mini contracts nowadays so it is the small leading the big and not the other way around.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As everything in trading I noticed that some day the Globex data has better results, the other day the Daily Session calculation of VA and POC works better.

 

Thank you!

 

That's why many people keep both profiles up at the same time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When I am thinking "Market Profile" then I use the floor trading hours. Things like Initial Balance and Settlement make sense when applied to a Market Place driven market (markets that open and close). I do most of my MP thinking looking at end of day charts for important price levels for the next days trading session.

 

While trading I use Volume@Price (Market Delta Footprint charts) set to Globex hours, but I always keep in mind what hours a given commodity has the most volume. The most volume almost always coincides with corresponding floor hours. I have observed some markets (e.g. ES, QM, and YG) can get significant volume an hour or two before the floor opens when there is significant news.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
if you don't mind me asking, how do you apply it (if at all) to currencies?

 

Interbank forex has no hours and no centralized reporting of volume.

 

[1] what session time

 

What hours is the market most active?

I'd want to look at a histogram of trade activity vs time-of-day and pick the busiest times, or conversely find the quietest time as the closed-time.

Or I'd use the globex hours for the CME exchange-based currency futures.

 

[2] what volume

 

If my data provider reported trades but no volume, then I'd use tick volume as a proxy for trade volume. If I only had price quotes but no idea where trades were executed, then I'm severely limited in understanding the market from a value perspective, I wouldn't know the POC or the volume weighted mean.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Date: 8th April 2025.   Markets Rebound Cautiously as US-China Tariff Tensions Deepen     Global markets staged a tentative recovery on Tuesday following a wave of volatility sparked by escalating trade tensions between the United States and China. The Asia-Pacific region showed signs of stability after a chaotic start to the week—though some pockets remained under pressure. Taiwan’s Taiex dropped 4.4%, dragged lower by losses in tech heavyweight TSMC. The world’s largest chipmaker fell another 4% on Tuesday and has now slumped 13.5% since April 2, when US President Donald Trump first unveiled what he called ‘Liberation Day’ tariffs.   However, broader sentiment across the region turned more positive, with several markets rebounding sharply after Monday’s dramatic sell-offs. Japan’s Nikkei 225 surged over 6% in early trading, rebounding from an 18-month low. South Korea’s Kospi rose marginally, and Australia’s ASX 200 gained 1.9%, driven by strength in mining stocks. Hong Kong’s Hang Seng rose 1.6%, though still far from recovering from Monday’s 13.2% crash—its worst day since the 1997 Asian financial crisis. China’s Shanghai Composite added 0.9%.   In Europe, DAX and FTSE 100 are up more than 1% in opening trade. EU Commission President von der Leyen repeated yesterday that the EU had offered reciprocal zero tariffs on manufactured goods previously and continues to stand by that offer. Others are also trying again to talk to Trump to get some sort of agreement that limits the impact.   Much of the rally appeared to be driven by dip-buying, as well as hopes that the intensifying trade war could still be defused through negotiations.   China Strikes Back: ‘We Will Fight to the End’   Tensions reached a boiling point after Trump threatened to impose an additional 50% tariff on all Chinese imports unless Beijing rolled back its retaliatory measures by April 8. ‘If China does not withdraw its 34% increase above their already long-term trading abuses by tomorrow... the United States will impose additional tariffs on China of 50%,’ Trump declared on social media.   If implemented, the new tariffs would bring total US duties on Chinese goods to a staggering 124%, factoring in the existing 20%, the 34% recently announced, and the proposed 50%.   In response, China’s Ministry of Commerce issued a stern warning, stating: ‘The US threat to escalate tariffs is a mistake on top of a mistake... If the US insists on its own way, China will fight to the end.’ The ministry also called for equal and respectful dialogue, though signs of compromise on either side remain scarce.   Beijing acted quickly to contain a market fallout. State funds intervened to support equities, and the People’s Bank of China set the yuan fixing at its weakest level since September 2023 to boost export competitiveness. Additionally, five-year interest rate swaps in China fell to their lowest levels since 2020, indicating potential for further monetary easing.   Trump Talks Tough on EU Too   Trump’s hardline approach extended beyond China. Speaking at a press conference, he rejected the European Union’s offer to eliminate tariffs on cars and industrial goods, accusing the bloc of ‘being very bad to us.’ He insisted that Europe would need to source its energy from the US, claiming the US could ‘knock off $350 billion in one week.’   The EU, meanwhile, backed away from a proposed 50% retaliatory tariff on American whiskey, opting instead for 25% duties on selected US goods in response to Trump’s steel and aluminium tariffs.     Volatile Wall Street Adds to the Drama   Wall Street experienced wild swings on Monday as investors processed the rapidly evolving trade conflict. The S&P 500 briefly fell 4.7% before rebounding 3.4%, nearly erasing its losses in what could have been its biggest one-day jump in years—if it had held. The Dow Jones Industrial Average sank by as much as 1,700 points early in the day but later climbed nearly 900 points before closing 349 points lower, down 0.9%. The Nasdaq ended up 0.1%.   The brief rally was fueled by a false rumour that Trump was considering a 90-day pause on tariffs—rumours that the White House quickly labelled ‘fake news.’ The market's sharp reaction underscored how desperate investors are for any sign that tensions might ease.   Oil Markets in Focus: Goldman Sachs Revises Forecasts   Crude prices also reflected the uncertainty, with US crude briefly dipping below $60 per barrel for the first time since 2021. As of early Tuesday, Brent crude was trading at $64.72, while WTI hovered around $61.26.   Goldman Sachs, in a note dated April 7, lowered its average price forecasts for Brent and WTI through 2025 and 2026, citing mounting recession risks and the potential for higher-than-expected supply from OPEC+.       Under a base-case scenario where the US avoids a recession and tariffs are reduced significantly before the April 9 implementation date, Goldman sees Brent at $62 per barrel and WTI at $58 by December 2025. These figures fall further to $55 and $51, respectively, by the end of 2026. This outlook also assumes moderate output increases from eight OPEC+ countries, with incremental boosts of 130,000–140,000 barrels per day in June and July.   However, should the US slip into a typical recession and OPEC production aligns with the bank’s baseline assumptions, Brent could retreat to $58 by the end of this year and to $50 by December 2026.   In a more bearish scenario involving a global GDP slowdown and no change to OPEC+ output levels, Brent prices might fall to $54 by year-end and $45 by late 2026. The most extreme projection—based on a simultaneous economic downturn and a full reversal of OPEC+ production cuts—would see Brent plunge to below $40 per barrel by the end of 2026.   Goldman noted that oil prices could outperform forecasts significantly if there was a dramatic shift in tariff policy and a surprise in global demand recovery.   Cautious Optimism, But Warnings Persist   With both Washington and Beijing showing no signs of backing down, markets are likely to remain volatile in the days ahead. Investors now turn their attention to upcoming trade meetings and policy decisions, hoping for clarity in what has become one of the most unpredictable trading environments in recent years.   Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business.   Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar.   Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding of how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE!   Click HERE to READ more Market news.   Andria Pichidi HFMarkets   Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in Leveraged Products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • CVNA Carvana stock watch, rebound to 166.56 support area at https://stockconsultant.com/?CVNA
    • CVNA Carvana stock watch, rebound to 166.56 support area at https://stockconsultant.com/?CVNA
    • CVNA Carvana stock watch, rebound to 166.56 support area at https://stockconsultant.com/?CVNA
    • CVNA Carvana stock watch, rebound to 166.56 support area at https://stockconsultant.com/?CVNA
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.