Jump to content

Welcome to the new Traders Laboratory! Please bear with us as we finish the migration over the next few days. If you find any issues, want to leave feedback, get in touch with us, or offer suggestions please post to the Support forum here.

  • Welcome Guests

    Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at Traders Laboratory such as interacting with members, access to all forums, downloading attachments, and eligibility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE Traders Laboratory account here.

AbeSmith

8/21/07 General Trade Log / Idea Sharing

Recommended Posts

Guest cooter
It is $200.

 

Are you looking at market internals ($TICK, $TRIN, $WPCVA, $VIX.X) when trading?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Abe,

I agree with Tin - if your daily loss limit is $200, you either need to respect that or change it. I understand that you are just testing things out right now, but you are going to build a bad habit rather quickly - to not respect your rules.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In this business you MUST have a plan of attack and you MUST follow that plan to a T. If you wanted to open up a grocery store and made a business plan to show a bank and they ended up lending you 300k to start up a grocery store, but you ended up using that 300k to open a night club, do you think that bank is gonna be after you? Absolutely! All of us who are giving you the advice are the bank screaming because you're not following the plan that you set out to do. If you lose 200 dollars, stop, because something OBVIOUSLY isn't working.

 

When Im in the game and I lose 40 YM points, I sit the rest out unless something SERIOUSLY pristine comes along. Now, I've been in front of the charts and active enough and have stuck to a plan long enough to know when I have a SUPER high odds of getting back on the money wagon when I'm at or near my loss limit and trust me, it's not easy for me to want to get back on, but a few times the past 2 months I've been at that 40 down to come back and end up + on the day. Now, that may be seen as not sticking to a plan, BUT...I've got certain setups that I KNOW have a proven track record and can earn me money. If I lost those trades because the probabilities weren't working for me, then I'm HAPPY AS CRAP because for every loser, there's 5 more winners coming down the pipe.

 

Today for example, I lost my very first trade. Was down 23 points. I watched until 5 minutes to 4 and didn't see anything that was worth the risk to me because the environment was extremely low volume and choppy. My setups don't always work the best in low volume environments. Is this in my trading plan? You bet it is! I've got a whole section on market environment and market cycles for which direction to look for the high odds trades.

 

And, the loser I took home today is one of the best losers, because it was a perfect setup executed as PERFECTLY as I could have imagined, and it ended up losing. This particular setup has had a 78% win rate over the past year, so guess what tomorrow's gonna bring? MONEY! Why? Cause the probabilities of this setup are going to play out. 4 out of 5 times I take the setup as it's shown I'll make money. I just happened to be on a little hot streak with this trade over the past...yup, 4 days. Today was the 5th day I didn't get the setup to work. Plus, having done my HOMEWORK with this setup, I know that Wednesdays are the highest probability days for this setup to earn its maximum potential.

 

So, what I reallllllllly know you should do is get a coach. You need to have someone guiding you through all of this because your trades are haphazard. Again, I'm not trying to be a dick at all, so please don't read it as being that. You've got dedication and I admire that. You just need to focus SOME of that energy into designing a trading plan that you can stick next to your desk with specific setups you're wanting to look for and execute on those all the time (depending on environment if the trades warrant different execution in different environments).

 

The coach I use is a partner with this board. His handle here is lrushing and his site is tradingeveryday.com. Listen, I've lost crap loads of money in this market trying to learn the ropes. If I had gotten a coach right at the get go, my account wouldn't be where it is right now...it'd be BIGGER! That's what we're all after, right? A bigger account? A coach will bring you to a place where you're confident in your trading because you will have a plan of attack that you can follow. You want to be successful at trading, right?

 

Every pro player has a coach. Does A-Rod have a coach? Does the Rocket have a coach still? (and Clemens is like almost 80 years old jk hahahaha). Did Emmit Smith have a dance coach on Dancing With the Stars? Of course! No one cared that he happened to have some of the fastest feet in the NFL during his hayday...heck, even with his fast feet back then he STILL had a coach.

 

I think you owe it to yourself, Abe, to sign up with Leroy or any coach for that matter and see what they have to offer you. You might not like what Leroy has to offer, and you may find someone else's style fits your personality. Leroy happens to fit mine perfectly.

 

Do it...do it.....do it..........this is a subliminal message to you Abe.....do it......get a coach..............today...............not tomorrow.........today.........do it.......make money..........and give 50% of your earnings to me............do it.............

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest cooter
200 dollars? Why didn't you stop when you hit (200)?

 

I thought there was something odd about this too. Seems that Abe is winging it for whatever reason.

 

I'm not competent to pass judgment on his lack of discipline here, and whether that's why he hasn't taken the bar exam after law school but...you gotta wondering what's really going on here.

 

The real-life tuition of learning to trade for a living isn't as easy as you may think it is - it does require some discipline to consistently make money, and more importantly, keep it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Are you looking at market internals ($TICK, $TRIN, $WPCVA, $VIX.X) when trading?

 

Cooter, I'm not looking at any of those. I've heard of them and seen them on various videos, but I'm not sure what they are. I would like to learn them though. Right now I'm still in the starting out phase and as you may know I'm only paper trading. Right now I'm still trying to tackle the basics. Once I learn the basics I can tackle the other stuff. Also, for TICK I think I need to subscribe to it. But lots of people use it and I will definitely look int all of those later.

 

 

I thought there was something odd about this too. Seems that Abe is winging it for whatever reason.

 

I'm not competent to pass judgment on his lack of discipline here, and whether that's why he hasn't taken the bar exam after law school but...you gotta wondering what's really going on here.

 

The real-life tuition of learning to trade for a living isn't as easy as you may think it is - it does require some discipline to consistently make money, and more importantly, keep it.

 

You are right. It takes a lot of discipline and that is something I'm working on.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
200 dollars? Why didn't you stop when you hit (200)?

 

I was experimenting with multiple contracts and the points added up. I should be more conservative with my paper trading though to make it as real as possible.

 

In this business you MUST have a plan of attack and you MUST follow that plan to a T. If you wanted to open up a grocery store and made a business plan to show a bank and they ended up lending you 300k to start up a grocery store, but you ended up using that 300k to open a night club, do you think that bank is gonna be after you? Absolutely! All of us who are giving you the advice are the bank screaming because you're not following the plan that you set out to do. If you lose 200 dollars, stop, because something OBVIOUSLY isn't working.

 

When Im in the game and I lose 40 YM points, I sit the rest out unless something SERIOUSLY pristine comes along. Now, I've been in front of the charts and active enough and have stuck to a plan long enough to know when I have a SUPER high odds of getting back on the money wagon when I'm at or near my loss limit and trust me, it's not easy for me to want to get back on, but a few times the past 2 months I've been at that 40 down to come back and end up + on the day. Now, that may be seen as not sticking to a plan, BUT...I've got certain setups that I KNOW have a proven track record and can earn me money. If I lost those trades because the probabilities weren't working for me, then I'm HAPPY AS CRAP because for every loser, there's 5 more winners coming down the pipe.

 

Today for example, I lost my very first trade. Was down 23 points. I watched until 5 minutes to 4 and didn't see anything that was worth the risk to me because the environment was extremely low volume and choppy. My setups don't always work the best in low volume environments. Is this in my trading plan? You bet it is! I've got a whole section on market environment and market cycles for which direction to look for the high odds trades.

 

And, the loser I took home today is one of the best losers, because it was a perfect setup executed as PERFECTLY as I could have imagined, and it ended up losing. This particular setup has had a 78% win rate over the past year, so guess what tomorrow's gonna bring? MONEY! Why? Cause the probabilities of this setup are going to play out. 4 out of 5 times I take the setup as it's shown I'll make money. I just happened to be on a little hot streak with this trade over the past...yup, 4 days. Today was the 5th day I didn't get the setup to work. Plus, having done my HOMEWORK with this setup, I know that Wednesdays are the highest probability days for this setup to earn its maximum potential.

 

So, what I reallllllllly know you should do is get a coach. You need to have someone guiding you through all of this because your trades are haphazard. Again, I'm not trying to be a dick at all, so please don't read it as being that. You've got dedication and I admire that. You just need to focus SOME of that energy into designing a trading plan that you can stick next to your desk with specific setups you're wanting to look for and execute on those all the time (depending on environment if the trades warrant different execution in different environments).

 

The coach I use is a partner with this board. His handle here is lrushing and his site is tradingeveryday.com. Listen, I've lost crap loads of money in this market trying to learn the ropes. If I had gotten a coach right at the get go, my account wouldn't be where it is right now...it'd be BIGGER! That's what we're all after, right? A bigger account? A coach will bring you to a place where you're confident in your trading because you will have a plan of attack that you can follow. You want to be successful at trading, right?

 

Every pro player has a coach. Does A-Rod have a coach? Does the Rocket have a coach still? (and Clemens is like almost 80 years old jk hahahaha). Did Emmit Smith have a dance coach on Dancing With the Stars? Of course! No one cared that he happened to have some of the fastest feet in the NFL during his hayday...heck, even with his fast feet back then he STILL had a coach.

 

I think you owe it to yourself, Abe, to sign up with Leroy or any coach for that matter and see what they have to offer you. You might not like what Leroy has to offer, and you may find someone else's style fits your personality. Leroy happens to fit mine perfectly.

 

Do it...do it.....do it..........this is a subliminal message to you Abe.....do it......get a coach..............today...............not tomorrow.........today.........do it.......make money..........and give 50% of your earnings to me............do it.............

 

Tin, I'm considering getting a coach. But I want to build some basic or intermediate knowledge before going to a coach. I'm also broke right now so I will need money as well.

 

holy crap, did I seriously write that much? Damn

 

Good read Tin. Always nice to read your point of view.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Abe,

I agree with Tin - if your daily loss limit is $200, you either need to respect that or change it. I understand that you are just testing things out right now, but you are going to build a bad habit rather quickly - to not respect your rules.

 

Brownsfan, you are right. I should respect my trading rules, even if it is just paper trading.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tin, I'm considering getting a coach. But I want to build some basic or intermediate knowledge before going to a coach. I'm also broke right now so I will need money as well.

 

Abe, in my opinion, I wouldn't trade, even paper trade, until you have the money to get a coach. Trust me, the coach you choose will LOVE you for having done that so they don't have to unwind bad habits you're building right now. And, with Leroy, the first session is a free one to make sure you two are a good fit for eachother. So, with that being said...you've got really got nothing to lose by getting ahold of him for a little coaching. I think other's might offer a free intro session, too, so you can make sure you get the right fit for the way you want to trade.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Abe, in my opinion, I wouldn't trade, even paper trade, until you have the money to get a coach. Trust me, the coach you choose will LOVE you for having done that so they don't have to unwind bad habits you're building right now. And, with Leroy, the first session is a free one to make sure you two are a good fit for eachother. So, with that being said...you've got really got nothing to lose by getting ahold of him for a little coaching. I think other's might offer a free intro session, too, so you can make sure you get the right fit for the way you want to trade.

 

I think it is best for me to continue paper trading. It helps me learn to trade and understand what trading is about. I'm not worried that it might make me develop bad habits that will be hard to unwind. I think more likely it will help me identify and unwind bad habits that I already have.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Abe, if you haven't been trading for that long then you don't have any bad or good habits yet. Feel free to do what you want and disregard what we all have to say here. I know I've already asked countless times about your plan and what setups you use, but you haven't given a list of what you're looking for so we can't help identify any problematic issues.

 

At this point, I'm finished trying to help because you don't seem to want to give the effort to learn from what I've got to say.

 

Best of luck to you.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Abe, if you haven't been trading for that long then you don't have any bad or good habits yet. Feel free to do what you want and disregard what we all have to say here. I know I've already asked countless times about your plan and what setups you use, but you haven't given a list of what you're looking for so we can't help identify any problematic issues.

 

At this point, I'm finished trying to help because you don't seem to want to give the effort to learn from what I've got to say.

 

Best of luck to you.

 

 

Tin, I mean bad habits like poor discipline, impulsiveness, and poor money management. The setups I use are higher highs and higher lows, lower lows and lower highs, pivots, other support and resistance levels like previous areas of support and resistance, 200sma as support and resistance, previous days' close and the day's open as possible support and resistance, and volume.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • GFL Environmental stock, watch for a top of range breakout at https://stockconsultant.com/?GFL
    • PLBY Group stock watch, nice trend with a pullback to 1.83 gap support area, bullish indicators at https://stockconsultant.com/?PLBY
    • Date: 24th February 2025.   German Markets Surge as Friedrich Merz Set To Be Chancellor, Euro Gains on Fiscal Shift   Germany’s stock index futures and the euro rallied after opposition leader Friedrich Merz secured victory. Investors expect a shift toward increased government spending. US-China trade tensions rise as Trump tightens restrictions on Chinese investments. AI optimism fuels Chinese tech stocks despite regulatory concerns. Nvidia’s earnings report on Wednesday is expected to impact market volatility. German Markets React to Election Results Germany’s stock market and currency experienced a sharp rally in Asian trading after conservative leader Friedrich Merz won the country’s federal election. This victory aligns with pre-election polls and signals a potential departure from Germany’s traditionally strict fiscal policies. Futures tied to the DAX Index surged as much as 1.5% on Monday, recovering from early losses in a session marked by thin trading volume. Meanwhile, the euro strengthened against most major currencies, climbing 0.7% against the U.S. dollar. Market analysts believe Merz’s leadership could mark the end of Germany’s tight fiscal stance, with expectations that his administration will prioritize economic stimulus. This shift comes at a critical time, as Europe’s largest economy grapples with sluggish growth, geopolitical uncertainties, and the threat of a global trade war under U.S. President Donald Trump. The euro’s strength also reflects optimism that Merz will form a government quickly, which wasn’t a widely held expectation before the election.     US-China Trade Tensions Intensify While European markets gained, US-China trade tensions escalated as Trump ordered stricter regulations on Chinese investments in key sectors, including technology, energy, and infrastructure. The move is part of a broader strategy to limit China’s influence in strategic industries. Although not legally binding, the directive strengthens oversight by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), a panel responsible for reviewing foreign acquisitions. JPMorgan strategists warned that this decision could reverse gains in Chinese tech stocks, which had rallied earlier in the year. Despite geopolitical headwinds, Chinese technology stocks have posted strong gains this year, largely driven by optimism in artificial intelligence (AI) and key policy shifts. The market remains under-owned by global investors, suggesting potential for further capital inflows. The growing AI industry has helped offset risks from US tariffs, with investor sentiment remaining bullish on leading Chinese firms like Alibaba and Tencent. Chinese officials reacted strongly, with Vice Premier He Lifeng raising concerns about Trump’s recent 10% tariff hike on Chinese goods in a call with US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. Additionally, sources revealed that Trump’s administration urged Mexico to impose tariffs on Chinese imports as part of broader trade negotiations.   Despite these challenges, investor focus remains on Nvidia’s earnings report on Wednesday, a key event that could drive market volatility.   Gold Nears Record Highs on Inflation and Central Bank Demand Gold prices held near $2,940 an ounce, just shy of last week’s record, as ETF inflows surged and the US dollar weakened. The precious metal is on its longest winning streak since 2020, fueled by rising inflation expectations and mounting geopolitical uncertainties under Trump’s administration. Lower US Treasury yields have also boosted bullion’s appeal, with traders now expecting the Federal Reserve’s first rate cut in July rather than September. Markets will closely watch Friday’s inflation data, a key indicator for Fed policy direction. Final Thoughts Markets are reacting to a mix of political and economic shifts, with Germany’s election outcome boosting European equities while US-China trade tensions create uncertainty for Asian markets. Investors will be closely monitoring fiscal policy changes in Germany, Nvidia’s earnings, and further trade developments for insights into market direction. For more financial market insights and updates, stay tuned. Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report. Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar. Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding of how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE! Click HERE to READ more Market news.   Andria Pichidi HFMarkets Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in Leveraged Products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
    • INO Inovio Pharmaceuticals stock, holding strong, watch for a bottom breakout above 2.36 at https://stockconsultant.com/?INO
    • Date: 21st February 2025.   European PMI Disappoint, Weighing on Euro Before German Elections   The Euro is the first currency to witness the volatility on this month’s PMI reports. The French, German and British PMI data have resulted in the Euro being the worst-performing currency of the European Session so far. However, will the Euro continue to decline throughout the day? European Purchasing Managers’ Indexes The French Purchasing Managers Index was the first European index to be made public. The release resulted in the Euro instantly declining 0.24%. The main concern from the French data was the Services PMI which fell from 48.2 to 44.5. Previously the market was expecting the data to remain more or less unchanged. The weak data triggered the decline which came to a halt after Germany’s PMI was released.     The German Manufacturing PMI read 0.5 points higher than previous expectations and the Services PMI was 0.2 points lower. The data from Germany was a relief for Euro investors and the price rose 0.12% higher. However, traders should note that the price of the EURUSD continues to remain 0.20% lower than yesterday’s close. The price of the EURUSD will now depend on the PMI data from the US. The value of the US Dollar will depend on its PMI release this afternoon and the Consumer Sentiment Index. Analysts expect both the US Services and Manufacturing PMI data to remain above the 50.00 level in the expansion zone. German Elections 2 Days Away Germany is set to hold a general election this Sunday, February 23rd, following the collapse of the coalition of social democrats, liberals, and greens. Given the country's highly proportional electoral system, German polls provide a strong indication of potential government formations post-election. The main concern for Germany is the AFD party who are Far-Right Nationalists. Currently, ahead in the polls are CDU (centre-right), and AFD (far right), followed by the SPD (centre-left). Traders should note that the results of the elections are likely to trigger strong volatility on Monday, but also influence volatility today. Economists may become further concerned if the far-right gains power for the first time due to uncertainty. If the government, similar to France, is unable to form a coalition, this would also be a concern for the Eurozone. Furthermore, the Euro this week is also under pressure from comments from members of the European Central Bank. ECB Governing Council member Fabio Panetta said to journalists that officials need not slow interest rate cuts, as January's 2.5% inflation is still expected to reach the 2.0% target this year. He also advised the European economy is weaker than previously expected. EURUSD - Technical Analysis and Indicators The EURUSD is trading above the 75-bar Exponential Moving Average and 100-bar Simple Moving Average on the 2-hour chart. However, the price is moving away from the key resistance level at 1.05058 indicating the price is losing momentum. The short-term volatility is indicating the price is retracing downwards. On the 5-minute timeframe, the price is trading below the 200-bar SMA and is also forming clear lower lows and highs. Simultaneously, the US Dollar Index is trading above the 200-bar SMA on the 5-minute chart confirming no current conflicts. Currently, the US Dollar is the best-performing currency of the day attempting to regain losses from the past 2 weeks. Watch today’s Live Analysis Session for more signals as they develop!   Key Takeaway Points: Weak French Services PMI triggered an initial Euro decline, but German PMI provide a slight relief. However, EURUSD remains lower than yesterday’s close. The Euro’s direction now depends on the US PMI reports, with analysts expecting US data to stay in expansion territory. Sunday's German election could drive volatility, especially if the far-right AFD gains power or if coalition formation proves difficult. ECB official Fabio Panetta suggested no need to slow rate cuts, citing weaker-than-expected economic performance and expected inflation decline. Always trade with strict risk management. Your capital is the single most important aspect of your trading business.   Please note that times displayed based on local time zone and are from time of writing this report.   Click HERE to access the full HFM Economic calendar.   Want to learn to trade and analyse the markets? Join our webinars and get analysis and trading ideas combined with better understanding of how markets work. Click HERE to register for FREE!   Click HERE to READ more Market news.   Michalis Efthymiou HFMarkets   Disclaimer: This material is provided as a general marketing communication for information purposes only and does not constitute an independent investment research. Nothing in this communication contains, or should be considered as containing, an investment advice or an investment recommendation or a solicitation for the purpose of buying or selling of any financial instrument. All information provided is gathered from reputable sources and any information containing an indication of past performance is not a guarantee or reliable indicator of future performance. Users acknowledge that any investment in Leveraged Products is characterized by a certain degree of uncertainty and that any investment of this nature involves a high level of risk for which the users are solely responsible and liable. We assume no liability for any loss arising from any investment made based on the information provided in this communication. This communication must not be reproduced or further distributed without our prior written permission.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.