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Trades. 19/08

CONTEXT 18/08 I see you picked up on the daily trend channel. I've stopped posting these because so many people cling to them like life preservers, and they shouldn't become the focus. But this one is pretty hard to miss. Hi Db Thanks for the feedback of yesterday really appreciate your point of view. For today I think the PA at the beginning after the open was pretty similar (to yesterday), notwithstanding, I was more careful about it; first because we have been in a well-defined TR (Almost 5 hrs), in this context I was looking for a RET after the BO of the TR, however, the Price did not take a clear direction and maintained its movement framed most of the time around the boundaries of the TR. For the second trade I try to Stop and reverse de position, in order to trade the TR after the unwillingness of the traders to push the price to the upside (this could be consider as a REV of the RET right?), notwithstanding because I am trading the 10k combine, the max position allowed is 1 contract therefore I had some issues and I could no enter (It was maddening because when I try to put the order my stop Loss was closed and I had to close the trade manually); in this context I preferred to Stop trading. Note: Maybe today was a good trading day for reversals, notwithstanding because I am learning I prefer to stick to one strategy only and even more now that I put some money at risk (price of the combine) Note 2: About the exercise of been trading the combine is little different because one starts to feel certain type of feelings such as an increase of the heart beating rhythm or sweaty hands, notwithstanding, I know that the only tool for me to face the markets is to trust in my trading plan and follow the rules. I hope tomorrow be a better day :missy:

So far 3 loser trades in a Row therefore I prefer to stop trading. FYI, I am participating in a continuous trading combine in Top Step Trader and this is my first day, I am trading a 10k account. Any comment or feedback is welcome. Thanks The consequence of limiting oneself to only one strategy is that one applies this strategy inappropriately, losing out not only on the misapplied strategy but on other trades that would have been successful if the other two strategies had been included. Here you look to enter on a retracement, and your first trade is technically a retracement; however, it is the third one and it's more than ten points below the first. By reducing your information risk, and by declining to trade outside RTH, you greatly increase your price risk, and the trade fails. By the time what you view as the next trade opportunity occurs, you're in chop, and there should be no trades taken at all (this is to be expected as you are in chop on both the daily and the hourly, so the levels you're choosing as reference points are not necessarily pertinent). The third trade is technically legitimate, though not compelling given the depth of the retracement. Either way it should have been your first. As it was your third, you left the field, and the next retracement turned out to be the winner. By looking at so much, and by drawing so many lines, you're not seeing what matters. The lines, rather than guiding you, are blocking you. There is only one line here that is of any use, the SL beginning at "0815". You're willing to pay the price, but your judgement of whether or not to pay it at all is faulty. The fact that price got to the apex of the hourly hinge tells you that you're ranging, the limits of which are 4500 to 4545. The preferred course is to trade the extremes. You don't get to the lower extreme at the open. Instead you again have chop. If you feel that the opening low was low enough, then there is nothing to do until the SL is broken at "0852". If and when this occurs, it will tell you whether the OL was low enough. That the trade taken after this break fails should come as no surprise given the chop you're in at longer bar intervals. However, if you apply a two-loss rule, it can be taken, along with the next, which, as I said above, turns out to be the winner, at least with regard to trading this range. By not including reversals in your strategy set, you're viewing what are reversals through retracement lenses. You are not therefore benefiting from either. You are of course not required to trade reversals, but you should study them and understand them so that you do not mistakenly trade them as retracements. Following the rules of my trading plan a Review of the trades executed today must be done, therefore I prefer to do it in the chart in order to be easy to read

Db one question, when you say: when you characterize the location of the price in a "dead center" maybe do you take as reference, maybe, the slow pace, slow activity and the overlapping in the bars (daily bars)? or what criteria do you take as reference in order to mention that statement (dead center)? See the blue lines I drew, the solid line from the swing low to the swing high and the dashed line through the middle. I don't much care about the rest of it. All that you mention contributes to where traders end up, but it's on the periphery of my awareness. We aren't at the swing high and we aren't at the swing low, which would be great. Instead, chop. At least from a daily perspective. This "range" is over 300pts, so there's plenty of opportunity for daily gains. And it's something that everybody sees. They also see that we're at the middle of it. To see the possibilities that this middle represents, the hourly may give a clue, particularly if it has been ranging, as here, which in this case is about 40pts. 40pts is worth paying attention to. As I've said, I prefer taking trades that are going toward the median rather than away from it. But if one is alert and careful and doesn't allow biases to encourage him to do stupid things, profits can be made relatively safely.

Daily Bar Although the price is in a downtrend, there is no ease of movement to the downside and although the Price fell below the 50%, was unable to maintain at those levels, therefore this shows certain level of Strength in the price and perhaps the unwillingness of the traders to keep pushing the price to the downside. Hourly Bar The price is in a downtrend, once again there is no ease of movement and a Hinge is formed, notwithstanding, the price breaks the Swing Low around 4512,50 therefore one should expect that the traders go to test the 50% of the previous up movement in order to identify signals of weakness or strength. 15 min bar – 5 min bar - 1m bar The down trend seems to decelerate its movement and a hinge is formed, notwithstanding the sellers try to test the Swing Low around 4502.50, but they are unable to maintain the price below this area and the price rebounds, situation that gives signals of strength Therefore in this context I would wait for a retracement after the break out of the hinge. I would like to know your thinking process and what would you do in this context? We'll see who else gives it a shot. You and Gozilla are all who are actively working on this. BTW: thanks for this kind of practical exercises, I really appreciate it,

Here is the Excel file of my forwardtesting process Statistics.xlsx

Here is the Excel file of my backtesting process, I uploaded here because in ET is not possible. Bitacora Ob 6 Bktst ENG.xlsx

Hi Db For now I want to start my phase of testing the entries and exits, obviously I want to apply the SLA/AMT approach; however, I would like to know your opinion regarding which documentation would you recommend me to start this phase? What do you mean by "documentation"? I mean documents, articles or texts to take as reference, for example the sla/amt pdf, So the question is what others articles or texts I could read in order to start the new phase (entries and exits)? At minimum, the Wyckoff Lite material in the stickies, esp Section 7, and you've already read the Developing a Plan pdf. That's really about it. There is such a thing as reading too much.

Hi everyone. Here are my PM Levels. Daily/hr 15m/5m Although I am in the observation phase I will “venture into hypothesizing about what price is most likely to do ” as Db said. All of this in order to make sense of the PA in interest zones. Here is the chart. 0833: The buyers test the UL of the TR, but they didnt hold an the price falls 0834: The price is close to the MP of the range 0837: If the reversal was taken, at the open maybe now that the trade has lifted off then we could change to a higer bar chart 5m 0840: the sellers found demand in the MP of the TR (grey zone) 0842: the price makes a LL, waiting to see the next action 0845: Next level 90 0847: A decition must be made 0853: the price makes a HL, after reaching the 91,75, close to the LL of the TR AT 90 0855: A HH is done and an uptrend is going on, however note that the PA is around the MP of the TR 0859: If the long was not taken you must wait until the extremes for other oportunity 0903: The price is unable to keep going higher and it remains around the MP 00 0905: Hinge - maybe 0910: the price continues its upward movement (waiting for the UL) 0914: LH - LL 0916: The price falls again around to the MP of the TR 0921: Hinge within the TR 1003: Looks like a BO from the Hinge 1008: FBO 1017: BO to the upside - 1021: FBO 1037: The PA is listless and I am losing focus so I am done for today.

I got some issues with my connection but here is my PM levels 0930: At the open the sellers try to take the price out of the hinge, however despite the fact the RET is triggered the price rebounds to the MP of the hinge 0938: The sellers make a new LL, waiting to see what happen next 0940: there is no follow through and the price is retracing 0945: 0945: Hinge 0949: price BO from the hinge and is approaching to the PL 0950: new LL RET needed in order to confirm the sellers willingness 0951: Note: close to the PDL 32,75 0953: the sellers found R at 34, waiting for the RET 0954: The price reversed almost all the previous down movement and a HH is done (V reversal) 0955: The price breaks above today high 0956: Note: at this point is at the PA is in the middle of the ON activity and the middle of the PD 0959: RET triggered 1000: RET confirmed 1002: The price reverses the up movement and a LL is done.... V reversal?? 1006: A LH is done (RET triggered) 1007: RET discarded, and the price goes up 1010: HH is done 1017: DL is broken waiting for the RET 1018: RET triggered and discarded - Range is defined 1040: Hinge within the TR 1056: After a FBO to the upside the price falls 1108: the price breaks the PDL Note: waiting to see what happens at this zone 1122: next level 19 1131: the price goes below the 19, these are the zones where the attention must be (thanks Db for your words, sometimes my focus is at the trees not at the forest.) 1143: the downward trend is consolidating 1153: HH 1158: HL --- Hinge 1205: Uptrend is going on

Hi. PM levels Today I coudnt see the market live, but the observations for today are in ET http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/price-action-nq.289300/page-8#post-4094511

Good morning. PM levels 0928: previous to the open the price is located around the MP of the PD 0930: At the open the buyers test the MP of the ON action 0933: The sellers reverse almost all the previous up movement 0934: However the buyers try to take control and a RET is confirmed 0935: The buyers are trying to reach the ONH 0937: For the moment an uprend is going on 0938: RET triggered 0940: RET confirmed, although a HH was done there where no follow trhough 0941: The price is below the ONH 0945: the price BO the ONH, a RET is needed in order to confirm the buyers willingness 0947: The buyers are finding R in the PDH 0949: RET triggered and confirmed 0950: the price BO above the PDH. Waiting the RET 0954: RET confirmed, but no follow through 0955: The buyers show their strength and the uptrend continues 0958: the buyers make a new HH, waiting to see the next action 1000: The uptrend continues with ease of movement 1003: BO the DL or only a spike? 1007: The price starts to retrace 1008: LH, RET triggered and confirmed 1010: Although a LL was done there were no follow trhough and the price rebounds (TDTDB) 1011: The price makes a new HH 1014: Although a HH was done there were no sustantial advance 1019: A HH is done. Note: the speed of the price is lower now than in the first 60 minutes, there is a shortening of the upthrust 1030: The price found S at the principal DL and a HH is done 1031: There is no ease of movement to the upside and the price breaks the DL 1039: LH is done and the RET is triggered 1040: RET discarded, and a range is defined 1051: there is a listless downtrend in comparison with the uptrend of the beginning of the day 1053: the price found S at the previous SL 1102: Hinge within the TR I'm done for today, thank you guys Db one question, I´m still learning the abbreviations. what is the meaning of OS?

PM levels 0930 The buyers test the UL of the ONR, 0931 Later on the Lower Limit is tested 0932 The buyers try to take control and BO to the upside --- the RET is needed in order to confirmed their willinggness 0935 Ret triggered and confirmed 0936 There were no follow through and the price goes to test the BO 0939 The BO is tested and the buyers take the price above the previous High -waiting for what happen next 0941 although a HH is done the price falls TDTDB 0943 The price falls into the range 0944 Testing the Lower limit of the ONR - BO - RET is needed 0946 Middle of the PD 0948 The sellers find demand and the price retrace 0950 Testing of the BO 0953 RET Triggered after testing of the BO of the ONR 0955 Ret discarded 0956 The price returns to the Range after a HL and a HH are done 0957 Looking at the 50% of the previous down movement from 62 - 46 0958 The price continues with the uptrend 1000 Trying to reach the day High also at the UL of the ONR 1004 May be a reversal could be traded here?? 1005 the price seems to fit into the range again 1008 MP of the ONR the price rebounds 1012 Hinge 1013 the price continues the down movement 1015 the price starts a retrace testing the previous BO of the Hinge at the ONL 1017 All this action is made inside the ONTR 1021 The price is making an uptrend inside the range, but until the moment there is no enough strength 1025 At this point I would consider a big Hinge, until the moment of the day 1038 Hinge + Range = Observe and wait 1048 Closer to the UL of the Hinge and Range, Hinge redrawn taking as reference the gringo chart (attached) 1104 the price seems to BO from the Hinge, but is also around the MP of the ON range 1130: the price BO to the downside - Waiting for the Ret 1132: Ret triggered - waiting for the confirmation 1133: Ret discarded - HL is done 1135: The price is testing the MP of the ONR 1141: Is important to note that all the action is given within the range 1148: That is all for today, I need to do other things, here is the last chart until now PS. Thank you Db and all of you guys this is a great way to learn. See you on monday

PM chart 0913 A master chart is fine, but for the open, all you need is the last few hours. 1419: woud it be consider as a DTDB??

Hi Db, I know I am in the observation phase but I fell in the temptation to trade today and I found it very interesting. I would like to know your opinion regarding the next chart. Especially the point 3

Hi Db, I know I am in the observation phase but I fell in the temptation to trade today and I found it very interesting. I would like to know your opinion regarding the next chart. Especially the point 3 http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39047&stc=1&d=1424708838 Sorry Db is my first time posting here I think I posted twice ... sorry :doh: Well, here we get into personal preference again, not dogma. I prefer not to take trades that are re-entering the range because they tend not to have much going for them, and I don't like scalping, However, this is something you'll have to test then decide whether or not to pursue it. It's easy enough to test. Ok Db, thanks for your point of view