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They do have a free option which is delayed (I believe). I guess they have a paid option too Maybe Quote.com or Esignals live charts might suit you? (I think esignal bought quote) Did you need stocks ? Lots of brokers giving out free real time futures stuff.

Arguably most things are a lagging indicator. Even time and sales shows what has already ticked and the DOM shows what has already been offered. If you change 'lagging indicator to 'relies on historical data' (obviously this is a different proposition but not a million miles away). Then even methods like S/R or geometric methods (trend lines, pitch forks, measured moves, wolfe etc) rely on historical prices to project lines forwards in time that anticipate where price might react. I fail to see what some ones communication skills has to do with there ability to trade, or even the veracity of the information they present. A logical fallacy to be sure. If you seek the 'truth' it will be helpful not to make such errors. Sure take advice but apply rigorous research to prove or disprove for oneself. (of course that does not help if you need to stump up hard earned $$$ to start with ) Finally if you like Nials stuff it seems pretty inexpensive to me. Having said that you can find pretty much all you could ever need on price action in the public domain, of course it will require more work on your part sifting the wheat from the chaff.

Look for the rumpled ones MT4 indicators....more flashing lights than an 80's disco.

Uncanny how you answer some of my questions before I asked them one of them being forms vs WPF. Everything screams WPF except forms just seem so much easier not to mention there are loads of open source libraries whereas the WPF ones seem to be about a grand and a half a pop. Yeah it became apparent to me early on that it is pretty much all about the framework rather than the language however c# seems like the best tool to generate IL.

"Single Largest" if only it where that simple Of course, if a man is both wise and lucky, he will not make the same mistake twice. But he will make any one of the ten thousand brothers or cousins of the original. The Mistake family is so large that there is always one of them around when you want to see what you can do in the fool-play line. Reminiscences of a Stock Operator

I seem to keep hijacking threads with this .net stuff. Perhaps I should start a 'roll your own with .net c#'. Anyway coming from a background of linked lists pointers procedures etc. I am finding it quite hard to 'unlearn' and actually start thinking in OO. I have looked at (and read chunks of) various books in series that I have liked in the past. Most are heavy going (even the 'beginners' ones) with page counts in thousands. That site is refreshingly concise. Another one that I came across that clicked in a similar way is at brainbell C Sharp Tutorials I have just got to the multi-threading section so can't comment on that but have had several aha moments up to that point.

:dito .................

I just started with Zenfire and C#. I have ticks running into a grid last, BB & BA no 'level II' yet. I am kind of learning it all as I go along. I came to a similar conclusion.....have a single queue for ticks that raises events for interested methods. Zen is not thread safe but using a single queue and then multi threaded from there on seems like the right way to proceed. Time to read the multi thread chapters of 'CLR via C#'. I have to say it seems like a massively complex environment. One thing that occurs to me is that there is no way to know if a race condition can occur within the Zen API itself.

Yeah I was fine but they still started court proceedings to try and recover this fictitious 'debt' eek! Maybe I should have filled counter suit and flown to the USA to fight it. Good point about PayPal..... I use it often (probably too often) as it is so convenient. Worth remembering (and to keep remembering) that CC's afford much more protection.

Agree, though certainly not going to get bent outta shape by it glad someone did mention it (I could not be bothered tbh). The guy that wrote the original article seems a little fixated by holocausts (can you have a plural?). Kind of a latter day short term Nostradamus.

Agree, though certainly not going to get bent outta shape by it The guy that wrote the original article seems a little fixated by holocausts (can you have a plural?). Kind of a latter day short term Nostradamus.

I had issues with them in the past (a long time ago now) that sound pretty similar. Not with fine print trickery simply billing after the contract had been cancelled (and confirmed as cancelled). Then they tried to sue me for the 'outstanding' amount. Funny and mildly irritating at the same time. That is one reason I am reticent about using them again.

maybe try to have a backup, freestockcharts are neat (prefer them to yahoo). Aren't they delayed 15 or 20 mniutes anyway?

Yeah it happens now and then. I thought limits (as in lock limit up/down) where meant to protect against this sort of thing. Guess I need to get up to date on what the situation is there <blush>.

Should be one of the (many) options if you have the correct version (can't look right now). It's written by Clyde Lee of The Swing Machine.

I am not sure 'tracking' is a good thing unless you have a good (and very specific) idea how you can use the information you are tracking. Sometimes less is more, as AK suggested maybe a breadth or depth indicator but only of you have a exact idea of how you are going to use it to help make trading decisions.

I should contact them. Could be a variety of things though if it is a limit order resting at the exchange it should not happen. Sounds like for some reason it was a 'synthetic' order residing at the client or at the broker, maybe due to it being managed by Ninjas ATM stuff?

Thanks AK. Yeah I should have started a new thread but what the hey.Going to have a play with C# seems like you can use unmanaged code for 'back end' stuff if the need arises. Seems like some synchronicity with VS 2010 just hitting the streets. It'll probably come to naught so much to do so little time. Now if you can only connect to a data provider api in 3 hours too hehe .......

SwingLeeII would do the job. Freebie from Clyde Lee.

Kind of brutally snipped the original post found here http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/208/futures-arbitrage-7639-13.html#post94874. I was going to start a thread on development environments and managed vs unmanaged environments would have been one of the key discussions. Still a bit premature as I have not decided whether to 'roll my own' yet. I have however been giving it some serious thought the last few days. Yesterday I had a few hours to kill and went into Waterstones (a UK book store) and spent the time reading Wrox's Professional C# 4.0 .Net 4. On the whole I was impressed. I have to say I am tempted to go managed. There is just something niggling in my mind that if I ever do want to scale up performance .NET will hit a wall way before an unmanaged approach. The thing is if that wall is a million miles away from what I need who cares? For example if I want to calculate the delta for every one of the constituent S&P 500 stocks (I don't but might want to one day) I would make an educated guess that .NET might start to creak at the seams. As I have said in this thread (rather off topic really...sorry) I am an old dinosaur, writing a simple framework to manage stuff (or pinching elements from the public domain) is not that big a deal. Anyway I re read AK's post linked above and he makes a compelling argument for managed above. One of the things I liked the sound of was a new chart type in a few hours but wonder if that is because of a good library of controls or because of .NET? I'm pretty sure you could have done that in Borlands old stuff too . Anyway I rambled off a bit, really I just wanted to offer this link that has quite a few hints and tips for writing faster managed code. It does make you think that managing your own stuff is actually in some ways easier than trying to optimise managed code. Of course if you aren't hitting any barriers then the whole argument is moot. Writing faster managed code

Yes it's very encouraging to see a retail guy make it in a way that is considered the preserve of those with deep pockets.

By hitting the bid/ask.

Just when I think I have your charting sussed out you go and spoil it all by posting a chart for all and sundry! Your going soft in your old age

The guy has some pretty good advice about a lot of things but as is often the case 'facts' and 'opinions' are rather intertwined. He seems to suffer from "this is the only way to do such and such because thats what works for me" syndrome. If what he says is true he has done a remarkable job leveraging his software engineering skills particularly in an area that is beyond most retail traders (for a variety of reasons both technical and expertise related) however his somewhat limited (3 years or so) and rather specialised experience hardly makes him an all round 'expert'. Still an interesting find AK (or whoever first linked it). @Studog you will likely get shutdown if you keep trying to drive people towards your (commercial) system. I can only imagine the reason you haven't been is the recent change in admin here.

I would second that. Another strong contender is my hunch!