TheDude

I disagree. I look at it as the straw that broke the camels back. It's just a shame that it's taken sooooo long for America to realise this.

Jesus on a bicycle! How long has it taken you to realise this??? FINALLY THE PENNY DROPS!! Sheeesh.

For those that believe tighter gun controls will not lead to a decline in gun crime, do they also believe that: Banning smoking will not lead to improved health? Burning fossil fuels will not lead to a change in climate? Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction? Israel is a poor victim? Everything Fox news says is true? There is no such thing as propaganda? Hitler was just misunderstood? etc....

Just because you've lost the debate, please dont try and change the subject i.e. women's rights to abortions. Face it, you've shot your self in the foot (and you did it with out a gun!! :haha:) with your peculiar statements and pictures. Please, for your own sake, just bow out gracefully like a gentleman. There's a good chap.

That would be euthanasia then I guess - for the pro gun crowd :haha:

Hey pal - you really are a special kind of stupid arent you! There was a story on the internet some time ago about a European city that was concerned with it's armed gangs. They called in some ex chief cop (rtd.) from NYC who had the reputation of cleaning up armed gangs in NYC and making the place a whole lot safer. Anyway, the cop left the city laughing and wouldn't take the job. He said they didnt really have a problem - they just thought they did. The point is, no one is saying if you ban guns, you will eradicate them from society. That would be stupid expectation. The point is, that with gun control, you get LESS guns in circulation, so LESS criminals have guns, so there are LESS murders, LESS armed robbery, and a generally safer environment. How is that a bad thing? How would you feel if a friend or family were shot by some pro-gun dumbass? Would you still be the shit-kickin' cowboy you are now? I cant stand these retards who sit round belching about their personal freedoms to carry guns, and love to whoop, holler and cheer when one of those 'bad-ass' crims in your picture gets a 'cap in their ass' by the cops. These retards are just too freaking stoooopid to realise that it's people like them and their attitudes that created the crims in the first place - by giving them the guns. DUHHH.....

That quote adds nothing to the debate other than to demonstrate how stupid some of the PC types are. In fact, it shows just how utterly stupid some people are - lawyers, teachers etc, thus the more reason to ban guns.

Whats your point? Nobodys suggesting banning stuff on looks, but capacity. Duh!.....

'They' have. I wasnt referring to an individual, but an observation of a whole culture.

It's a very sad society that needs a weapon to feel free. In fact, it just displays their inferiority, insecurity, and base stupidity.

If you'd like facts, please consider this: How many cases have there been in the last 10 years where guns are freely available, of people walking into schools, cinemas and the like and murdering swarms of people in the USA? Now compare that figure, by capita, to Europe where guns are not so readily available. Do you see a pattern? Do you really think beefing up security in schools is the answer? I think it's moronic. Just follow Europes lead and ban guns. It really is that simple. Will it totally eradicate gun crime? No of course not, but it will make USA a safer place for everyone. People talk of their right to bear arms, but what of the rights of innocent bystanders who get shot? If your family were killed by a mad man, would you still think the gun laws were a good thing?

Need we say more?......

:crap::crap::crap: Well they do say that when one resorts to name calling it's a sign they have lost the argument as they have no logical comeback. As for the other mistake in your post, you really do need to understand that the US were kinda late - real late in the European conflict, and it was really the Battle of Britain that turned the tide for Europe - which America had NOTHING to do with (as I believe they were still contemplating joining the Nazis at the time). Remember - America hasn't won a single war. EVER. Except it's own civil war which was won through terrorism. Either way, this seems a pointless argument. If someone has been raised in a culture where aggression and violence are the norm, where 'an eye for an eye' is seen as justice, who grew up in a state that still practices the death sentence (Do a search on the other countries that practice capital punishment - you will see they are ALL backward places), then I very much doubt they will listen to the voice of reason and peace. Just remember: The Dude is a lover, not a fighter.

Says the person who thinks teachers should carry guns. What ever next???

Why not just ban guns? It's much simpler. If some nut job wants to kill a load of people, he will IF he has a gun. With your idea, we'll end up with a load of dead cops in a shoot out - especially if he has an assault riffle. Great thinking! Besides, would you really want your kids going to a school with armed guards everywhere - permanently reminded of the horrors of this world? C'mon folks, it's not rocket science. Look at Europe and the civilised world. People arent allowed to carry guns and there is next to zero gun crime. The murder rate is also much lower. It doesnt take Einstein to see the correlation. Remember that across the civilised world, there are all types of government - both left and right wing, Principalities, Kingdoms, Republics, etc, so you cant draw politics or any other socio-economic circumstance in to what is so bleeding obvious to a four year old!! Geddit?

Yeah - well there's always one thats going to slip through the net though. My ideas will stop a lot of crimes though.

Unfortunately there are lot of dumbass' in the world. Only a dipshit would suggest that giving a dumbass a gun is the way forward. I would have assumed anyone with any common sense or analytical ability could figure that one out; trader, dumbass or dipshit. And please dont retort with 'it's unfair to the non-dumbass who wants to carry a gun', because only a dumbass would want a gun. And dont give me any 'personal freedom' shit either. Lets face facts: Half of Americans cant even feed themselves properly without getting overweight and obese. If someone cant even eat responsibly and look after themselves, I dont think giving them a gun is the way forward do you? Perhaps gun ownership if it must exist, should only be allowed if the individual: Isn't poor (ie less likely to rob someone or have silly ideas) Has above average IQ Is able to eat a sensible diet and prove they are capable of looking after themselves. Is able to point out various countries and cities on a map. Only then, could they be trusted. But then again, I guess this would exclude 90% of people from gun ownership. Objective achieved!!

eeeer ok, I think the rest of the world has moved on a bit now though. And besides, it's another dead argument. One reason is because this statement could be interpreted by some wacko in the following ways: 1. go shoot the president if you dont like his policies 2. go march into the county traffic wardens office and shoot everyone to bits for giving me that bogus parking ticket. 3. Hey, my old school was a government body and they really fucked me up, and I'm such a failure, I'm gunna shoot everyone in there because I think they are a tyranny and it's all their fault'. 4. I've just been sacked by the tyranny of a fire department thats controlled by local government, so I'm gunna make a false call and shoot up everyone who comes to answer that call. Another reason it's moronic is that the government have far better ways of controlling you now than with force of a gun - namely the media and tax policy.

This picture demonstrates just how moronic pro gun folk are. It makes perfect sense why the US President needs such security guards, yet some silly hicks think they are somehow in the same predicament as the US President with nut jobs wanting to kill them? This argument doesnt display any hypocrisy, just stupidity.

Comparing Obama to Hitler just shows how deranged some people are.

Yeah? So what has America given the world? Crack? AIDS? The Dukes of Hazzard?

How does owning a gun make one feel free?

eeer, there are more countries in the world than israel! Given that 1/2 the worlds population live in either China or India, your statement is incorrect

Ignoring all the advise one comes across in the retail domain/internet/books. In fact, often doing the opposite. There's so much sh!t pumped out there by people who have probably never traded a 1 lot in their life it's untrue!