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moosie
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Jbarnby- thanks a lot for posting your charts. Inspired, I got back to work on this recently. Attached is a chart from 8/28 (done after hours). Thin blue is tape, thin magenta is 'below' that, medium lines are traverses. The end effects of the two traverses (and pt 3 of the second) are giving me some heartburn. Any suggestions for improvement, or just error identification would be greatly appreciated.
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10/15 to 10/18. I am not sure that I didn't jump up a fractal, but it seems that the first traverse has to end outside of the previous channel (for chan pt 2), and then it was accellerated. Is this right?
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Thanks gucci, for your responses and all of your contributions to the thread. Could we also say that the pace acceleration at 13:10 (eob) put us on notice for the traverse acceleration?
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Thanks. Attached through 10/11.
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Followup questions on 10/13: 1. Why the accelerated darker pink traverse? The pt 3 of the traverse must be there, or there aren't legitimate points 2 and 3 on the subsequent non-dom traverse. 2. Is the green up channel RTL correct? I have it starting on 10/7 @ 12:40. If not, would someone mind telling me where for the purposes of differentiating the first traverse from the second two? Thanks in advance for any commentary.
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I've redone 10-13 to 10-15 several times now, and consistently end up in the same place (attached). A review of the newly posted drills, and the elitetrader.com discussion of VE's will probably yield new questions, but in the meantime any pointers to errors in my annotations would be greatly appreciated.
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Thank you for the hint. When the smallest containers are made more carefully (widen for closes within the container, starting with the 9:15 bar), the gaussians are much clearer. If the attached annotations are more correct, I still don't understand why the thick container is over and done with at the end of the third medium container. Is it that the ve's of the thick thing caused by the third medium container are at a higher volume than pt 2(thick)? Maybe reannotating the first medium with newfound care will show enough examples at the thin level for differentiation.
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Sorry, I must be missing your meaning. Our gaussians are different, as I put the 2b on the first ob of the container. Why would the 2nd ob be the (properly annotated) 2b? Thanks for your help.
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Your arrows clockwise: ibgs/ftt, bo of orange container on higher vol, ob, i have no idea Why the orange container? Price doesn't ve the pink container (same as my med red) until after the pt 3 of the orange. What about the ob makes it say, "I am the pt 3 you are looking for."?
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I think it must come down to starting volume, although the following table suggests vol@pt 2 as a possibility Traverse #: vol @ pt1, pt2, pt3 1: medium, fast, medium 2: extreme, extreme, fast 3: extreme, extreme, extreme The thick sequence is complete at the end of the third traverse, which is a VE of the thick container. There follows two more medium containers (annotated that way based on starting volume) before price escapes the thick container. Does that make any sense, or am I still mucking things up? Thanks again; your commentary is very helpful.
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I am sure that must be true, but I don't 'know' it yet. At my present level of annotation ability it is hard to see two periods that look the same in the price pane, have different volume arrangements, and have different outcomes. It is composed of a complete volume sequence and it's container breaks the previous container. Also, that part is now coming out the same each time I erase and start over with a refinement to my annotation technique. I am convinced that its there. I hear that. I do not yet understand non-ve fanning/acceleration or the impact of pace changes. Are you implying that consistency in annotation requires thorough differentiation? Makes sense to me. I am currently attempting to why the black thick thing and the red thick thing are the same fractal. If I were to consistently apply the annotation method used up to 15:05, it would be a medium thing. The black thing does start on extreme volume; is that sufficient (in this particular context) to know that this container is on the thick fractal? Thanks again for your time and commentary.
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Can you talk about accelerating your pink traverse to a new pt3 @ 10/14 14:00? It seems necessary on my chart too, but I can't figure out what gives us the 'heads up' that a new traverse pt3 is on the table.
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All I notice is that the non-dom 'subtapes' (blue lines) typically start with vol well below extreme pace, even after the transition to extreme vol in the 14:50 dom bar. Ok. Attached w/ three levels of gaussians. From this perspective, it is clear that the 10am->11am movement is just a tape from point 2 to 3 of the traverse. From this (more volume-oriented) point of view, how do I know that the b2bs after sequence completion (14:50) but before the pt2 (10:00)? Is that where the VE's come in? Thanks for taking the time to comment.
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Any thoughts on the two annotation options in the attached screenshots? In the first, I regard the upward movement from the 10:20 (close-of) bar as a tape that pushes out to a new pt 3 of the medium short container. In the second, it is annotated as a full traverse. In the previous attempt I annotated it as the traverse, but it feels like I have to torture the gaussians to match the drawn thin containers. How should one choose between the interpretations?
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Part 5. It looks like the thick down goat ended today, and a new thick up started. Am I on a decent path here, or am I so far off the track I've wandered into Baja?
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part 4- so if we see an accelleration in the blue medium up container, we might drive through the thick down container and start a thick up thing?
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Through midday 10/15. How many posts does it take before you're not stuck in moderation jail any more?
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now with pics, see txtbox notes
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part 2- The gaussians feel like a necessary/sufficiency gate on what I build up from the tapes. Am I drawing them correctly or completely missing the boat?
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Attached is my effort on the 10/13 downward movement. I tried to be very strict with the tape level, using a preliminary differentiation of the ve close as a guide to fan/no fan. I've similar questions to those of breakeven: 1. Did I jump fractals? 2. A better understaning of _____ would improve this chart directly? Any comments welcome and appreciated.
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I've gone back to the drawing board in another attempt to absorb the wisdom of this thread. There's some great stuff here. The attachment starts from the ES daily high on 10/11/07. Can anyone tell me if: 1) all of the thin-weight containers are on the same fractal? 2) the thin-weight containers are fanned when and where appropriate? 3) the gauss annotations are correct? Also, a link to a good discussion of ve's would be helpful. What I remember is that a ve implies another go-round on the volume cycle (r2r2b2r2B2R), but I'm not sure I've seen in precisely defined, even after rereading the entire thread. Thanks for your help.
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Questions about tape-level gaussians: In the attachment, the period from 10-10:30 is annotated as r2r2b2b, which is not a valid sequence. Should the r2r2b be one 'r' instead? Does the tape @ 13:30 really start at 13:00? How would folks in this group handle it? Any input will be appreciated.