TLUser

You have me at a disadvantage because, to the best of my recollection, unless you equate asking him to prove his methods by factual demonstrations as a "qualification" I have never asked him for any qualifications. And you have me at a further disadvantage because, although "a ton of money" means more to a beggar than a millionaire, I have never come across anyone "who has made a ton of money" via TRO with any consistency. As you will know, many people starting out in trading make money. Along with the ease of making money in sim accounts (that's why the charlatans of the trading room world use sim accounts) it is one of the seductions which leads to eventual failure in trading so, consistency over time in the mix is very necessary. I am NOT trying to destroy this thread. I just wanted TRO to post his trades in advance so that newbies could gauge for themselves the veracity of his claims. I really would be delighted to see TRO prove that his "system" worked. Anyway I won't post anymore but I wish you all the best of success and leave you with President Ronald Reagan's statement: "Trust but verify.".

Thank you for your courteous response. I have no issues with Avery other than the same issue I have with all the sure fire get rich quick systems vendors, namely that they prey, unmercifully, upon newbies. In many ways I quite like Avery. Although I acknowledge that it may be borne of necessity, I admire his irrepressibility. And as any experienced trader will tell you, his posts are always good for a chuckle. What I find reprehensible about him is that he shades the truth. A typical example is his constant use of paralepsis to imply that he has been banned from multiple FX forums because of pressure from brokers who "sponsor" forums. The truth is that most FX websites have a policy of not allowing advertising in their forums, indeed some have a section where vendors can subscribe to post their offerings and some may pay to post banner ads on the sites. However, Avery either doesn't have the money or is too tight fisted to spend his money subscribing to the commercial sections or buy ads so he frequents the non-commercial forums, untill he gets banned, where he advertises by implication. Viz: "Did you get that? Traders in my trading room did." "I'm not allowed to post where you may get my indicators but you may Google for the information." And as I've said in a previous post, although he doesn't "sell" his indicators, to get them you have to make a "donation." And in his trading room he touts that he is an "introducing broker." I can cite similar subterfuges of his but the foregoing should paint the picture for anyone who, to quote yet another TROism "IF YOU LOOK YOU WILL SEE." Have you asked yourself why Avery spends so much time posting and has a trading room? Of course you have, so maybe it's TL which has an agenda to keep him posting :-) I've given seminars and held trading workshops on the "net." One of the things I have learnt is that although they know little of trading, newbies and those who are full of hope really believe, with the fervour of religious fanatics, that aided by the latest indicators from their current guru and a few clicks of a mouse, they too can have the private jet, the Savile Row suits and the penthouse in the city from which they can helicopter to their country estate. If they stick at it then a few years and several blown accounts later, if they find a winning strategy, with very, very few exceptions, they'll keep it to themselves. Good Luck to you too. TLUser

"[/it should be obvious to the reader that with your 6 posts on this forum you have done nothing but attack the messenger. I think the readers would prefer you to start your own thread and share your wisdom there. "I] Avery, you are so predictable you are precious. I don't have much time to frequent FX or any other forums for that matter. However, when I received a reminding from TL I did a scan of TL and when I saw you posting away, in the spirit of helping other traders, I decided to ask you to validate your method by posting your trades in advance. Think of the accolades and business validation would bring you. You could even rename your club 3 percent :-)

Thank you for your response. Although one could argue that discretion is built into the coding (if/and/when/or etc) of high frequency computer trading (HFCT), except perhaps for HFCT some discretion is involved in any type of trading. As Bishop George Berkely put it: "Esse Est Percipi." You perceive TRO's pointing out that discretion is involved as a credible justification of him whereas I see it as just another one of his: "Get out of goal Free" cards. Sort like the way he takes "donations" for some of his indicators instead of selling them. You ask me "what system are you using?" Although on the basis of full disclosure I will confess to taking a very occasional peek at the CCI I very rarely take it into account. I don't use systems or indicators so I doubt the way I trade could be programmed. Broker statements can be dummied up and sim trading doesn't count. If you or anyone else is making money using ANY of Avery's "methods" let you, him or her post their trades in advance. If they come out ahead I will be delighted to eat crow and sing TRO's praises.

"[You can see IN ADVANCE when a trade is setting up. By the time I post the trade, it's over. That is the reason I post the rules so you can see the setup in real time. "/I] There you go again Avery. Waffle, waffle and yet more waffle. Without going into a complete Deridian Deconstruction of your post 1259 can you hear yourself? Viz: "Every "trend" reversal will start with a "price turn" pattern on the chart." "Identifying this pattern on all of the time frames will help you select trade direction." and "All you have to do is LOOK at the charts and SEE!!" Wow! Really - who'da thought it? Anyway, if your trades are over before you have time to post them implies that you must be scalping? If so that's rather odd. In your post 1259 you mention that you watch the weekly and monthly charts and as the expert you are you will know that these time frames have little application to scalping. So, I think you would have the time to post your trades in advance. Alternatively, I see that TL is setting up a trading competition. Unfortunately its just going to be simulated trading and, as you will know, simulated trading bears no relation whatsoever to real trading. Perhaps brokers offer simulated because it's so easy that it sucks in the Newbies into opening cash accounts? Anyway, why don't you enter the competition using your system, what is now: "Never Lose Again, Drain the Banks, Buzzard Reversal, Rock Paper Scissors, Mother_Lode etc etc? Ah! Now I remember, it's trade like RAT. Any fool can post any chart and ask: "CAN YOU SEE WHY 95% OF TRADERS LOSE?" But eventually the Newbies and Hopefuls will conclude, some sooner than later, that it's easy to post guru type statements without posting the answer. Avery, if you, your systems and your indicators are everything you say they are you could post your trades in advance or enter the TL competion. Produce good results and all the Newbies and Hopefuls on here will beat a path to your door and patronise you as an introducing broker and buy your paid indicators.

Whilst I thank you for your comments and advices (for your ready reference your comment is copied hereunder) I note with regret that you are either in cahoots with TRO or you may have been seduced by the number of eyeballs TRO brings to TL. I use the word seduce because I find it hard to believe that someone who runs a trading forum is sufficiently disingenuous to fall for TRO's particular brand of snake oil. All TRO has to do to prove his veracity and the value of his signals is to post his trades, based on his signals, in advance for say a week or a fortnight. If you like, if TRO will agree, I'll post my trades in advance also and the competition may even get you a few more eyeballs :-) As for my "maturing in the trading business," since I am in my 80s and have lived and traded, professionally, a multitude of financial instruments in Europe, the US, HK and London for sixty years, I believe that I am already "mature." "Over several years and many forums TRO has been a reliable poster and generous with help to newbies. As you mature in the trading business you will learn to understand his techniques and methods which have proven to be quite profitable long term."

[ I AM PLAYING MY GAME/I] Oh I know very well the game you are playing Avery. My aim is to see that newbies and hopefuls know your game too. And of course you don't have a satellite or smart 'phone. If you did it would enable you to more easily post your trades in advance wouldn't it? However, I'm sure readers of this thread will accept notice in advance of your trades in any time frame whenever you can post them.

Avery, Avery, Avery. Same tired old posts, questions answered with cut-n-paste abstract notions you hope sound philosophical and guruish, same tired old indicators but with a little twist and different names. All designed to lure the hopefuls and Newbies into your WEBsite to sell them something (do you still have a list of "special" indicators in addition to the free ones?) and join MB, for whom, I take it, you are still an IB? Folks, anyone can post winning trades AFTER they've occurred. However, you may get to the bottom of TRO very quickly. If his latest system "Trade Like a Rat" is so simple and successful just ask him to post on here or email you his forecasts or his actual entries before he executes them. It shouldn't be a problem for him because if you look back you'll see that some of his charts are daily and hourly. Neither can he plead lack of Internet access on his "ranch" because now-a-days smart phones can access the net and if all else fails there's always satellite access. * "Do you see when there was an opportunity to make 20+ pips? Traders in my free chatroom got it. " TRO post # 1200, this thread.

Has anyone noticed that "lose" and "loose" is becoming interchangeable iby those in the trading world? Hope they trade better than they can spell. :-)