clmacdougall

Hi MM, The posting of a seller/vendor member is almost assuredly not about helping you, but is about creating dependencies between your perceptions and their product for sale. This naturally taints their posting as the creation of such a dependency is ultimately their goal. The reason they want to sell is that their product doesn't work and they need to recoup their money for the lost time they spent creating it. I certainly wouldn't keep you from having fun at their expense, as they are posting at their own risk of being maligned, but that's a business risk they are willing to take. One suggestion for vendors out their is to publicly label themselves on TL. It will add a sense of legitimacy and trustworthiness to them that their peers don't have. Just a thought!

I respectfully disagree MM, by labeling a vendor you clear up the mess upfront, their intentions come as no surprise and they can take on an even greater place in the community by showing themselves as providers of good information and they can sell their wares at the same time. Would you feel more comfortable buying something from a well known store or some guy out front of that store revealing merchandise to you in some sort of secretive fashion. I think we all know the answer to that question. Labeling is not for the purpose of censure or shame but for the purpose of intentions being uncovered, doesn't the seller/vendor owe us at least that in order to attempt to sell here at TL?

Tams I think the site owner is in a paradox here, if he cares too much about the intent of the poster he may miss out on their content, no matter that it may be herding you into following them back to their website or product, it would remove the enticement to read their posts and ad revenue may possibly fall off. The other side of the coin is that by enticing vendors no matter their intentions he begins to eat away at the fabric of the TL community at large and is in danger of seeing the longer standing members leave due to a lack of policing and overall quality. Without those longer standing members remaining there would be no TL. This is a matter for the other moderators and management to take up with the owner as a grass roots movement is doomed to fail. A student should never attempt to rise above his teacher, but lets not forget, he could always start a school of his own!!

Hi wrbtrader I'm glad there isn't any misunderstanding. I think it would be better for the whole community to know who the vendors are every time they post. It would allow for an open and honest flow of information with everything on the table and out in the open. If you've benefited from the TL community and are a vendor, please consider becoming a paying vendor who advertises here, it's only fair and will help to keep this community vibrant and healthy. I'm sorry to hear that you've been on the receiving end of anyones hate and I hope that this is no longer the case. I too am from Canada!! After returning from a few years of missionary work in India with my new wife from India we went out for a walk in my community on her first night in Canada only to have some people race past in a car and shout out racial slurs at her, it was quite a welcome!! Racism hurts eveyone none more than the user, ignorance is crippling!! I wish you all the best in La Belle Province. Cory

Tams I'm starting to learn that nothing for sale works and that nothing that works is for sale!! Trading is just like someone else said, a personal journey and discovery that can't be bought or begged into a success. It's a gift earned with a lot of time and hard work spent alone.

Hi wrbtrader, I mentioned a way you could rejoin the community without acting like or being seen as a taker/seller/vendor in the community, what's wrong with that? For a person who wishes only to be a contributor and a helpful part of the community it would give you the chance to start over again and feel good about helping others while not helping yourself. Uncovering motive and intentions is not a witch hunt, it's done by officials protecting you and your family everyday. It's simply a timely thing to be done here in this community. I can see why you don't like it here at TL and don't post here that often as your motives are under some sense of scrutiny by the members who know how you might try to corral others into thinking that they need your paid service in order to see the light. Like it or not you are a member with less than selfless ambitions here at TL and there's no harm in others being aware of it or in seeing you as such. I don't care about giving publicity to anyone, I care about making public the differences between you as a vendor member and someone else as a regular part of the community, let them judge for themselves concerning your intentions. Armed with a knowledge of the differences between your possible intent and theirs I'm sure every one of your posts will take on a whole new meaning and be seen in a new light.

Have you ever had a friend turn you into a "business opportunity"? It's a strange kind of occurrence that needs to be defined. It ruins something that you thought was mutual. A type of respect and admiration that was outside the bounds of what you could take from each other, but was based upon what you could give to each other, is ruined. Something similar happens when a TL member turns into a seller/vendor. That sense of comradery and mutual respect becomes twisted and you realize you've been played / had again!! This kind of activity has to be realized for what it is!! Cheap, insensitive and selfish. That type of activity has to be pointed out or it diminishes a community ( online or otherwise ). Note that once these individuals are discovered/uncovered for what they are they seem to disappear instead of apologizing or changing. No doubt they continue forward destroying other relationships in their wake, this unfortunately is their only profit in the end.

You must admit it's a little strange that the website where you sell your education is easily found by googling "wrbtrader", which is your username here at TL. For a vendor just wishing to move in and out of the forum in a non-promotional way, why don't you just change your username to be completely separate from any of your selling endeavours. You are "advertising" in a subtle way by attaching a link to your money making website within your username itself. Perhaps you should change your username again, but this time don't tell us who you are and become a non selling member of the community. Just a thought!!

I took this right from your site wrbtrader I guess this best describes what you offer "we offer five types of trade methods that's a complete objective rule-base trading plan from entry to exit involving price action only trading merged with WRB Analysis to give you access to education courses that are highly praised by professional clients and retail clients" The price structure is the same as I've mentioned in the vendor list depending on which level of 'education course' you choose to pay for.

Thanks for being so transparent wbtrader. It's a strange thing when even a vendor wants identification on the site. I hope this gets the wheels rolling for this to happen here at TL.

There is nothing exclusive in this search to identify vendors. All members are welcome to help. Please let us know if you've found a TL member attempting to sell you or others anything on or off this site. Also, please let us know if you've been contacted via private message on this site by a vendor / seller. Such actions break the rules as specified by the site owner. Our vendor list with names product and price: Electroniclocal / 3 day seminar / $5000 Steve46 / daily coaching / $200 per month Urma Blume / tradestation inducator package addon / $1400 per year Logic / manual / $750 nhallett / 5 hour course / $297 Rande Howell / multi media courses + 10 personal sessions / $ 2997 Dbphoenix / ebook / $30 TheRumpledOne / indicators / $50 swisstrader / multicharts package/ free - $9990 doubletop11 / indicator package / $1000 per year Tim Racette / ebook / $49.95 alleyb / trading site mentorship / $800 per year Eiger / mentorship courses / $69 - $1199 NihabaAshi & wrbtrader / training / $193 - $473 Predictor / manual and mentorship / unknown, through email add only Fulcrum Trader /training & chatroom /$97 per month chat & $397 - $697 training Dionysus Toast / indicator package / $249 I will post the others after discovering what they are trying to sell and for how much. Thanks

Actually Tams I'm impressed that you want to learn too! But I'm sad to say that this poster is looking for a friend of equal interest in a similar type method and I'm sure that's not you! I feel putting our friend in touch with the "Predictor" would be the only fair thing to do. Together they would rock the financial foundations of the planet!! Why with this guys ability to call the markets down to the tick and Predictor's ability to call the market better than anyone else I cannot imagine the money they'd make:rofl:

It's obvious that the market he's referring to is the "supermarket". I've called my own supermarket many times I too am very good at it, perhaps not the best in the world like him, but still I'm pretty good!!

There is nothing exclusive in this search to identify vendors. All members are welcome to help. Please let us know if you've found a TL member attempting to sell you or others anything on or off this site. Also, please let us know if you've been contacted via private message on this site by a vendor / seller. Such actions break the rules as specified by the site owner. Our vendor list with names product and price: Electroniclocal / 3 day seminar / $5000 Steve46 / daily coaching / $200 per month Urma Blume / tradestation inducator package addon / $1400 per year Logic / manual / $750 nhallett / 5 hour course / $297 Rande Howell / multi media courses + 10 personal sessions / $ 2997 Dbphoenix / ebook / $30 TheRumpledOne / indicators / $50 swisstrader / multicharts package/ free - $9990 doubletop11 / indicator package / $1000 per year Tim Racette / ebook / $49.95 alleyb / trading site mentorship / $800 per year Eiger / mentorship courses / $69 - $1199 NihabaAshi / trading mentorship / $193 - $473 Predictor / manual and mentorship / unknown, through email add only Fulcrum Trader /training & chatroom /$97 per month chat & $397 - $697 training Dionysus Toast / indicator package / $249 I will post the others after discovering what they are trying to sell and for how much. Thanks

There is nothing exclusive in this search to identify vendors. All members are welcome to help. Please let us know if you've been contacted via private message on this site by a vendor / seller. Such actions break the rules as specified by the site owner. Our vendor list with names product and price: Electroniclocal / 3 day seminar / $5000 Steve46 / daily coaching / $200 per month Urma Blume / tradestation inducator package addon / $1400 per year Logic / manual / $750 nhallett / 5 hour course / $297 Rande Howell / multi media courses + 10 personal sessions / $ 2997 Dbphoenix / ebook / $30 TheRumpledOne / indicators / $50 swisstrader / multicharts package/ free - $9990 doubletop11 / indicator package / $1000 per year Tim Racette / ebook / $49.95 alleyb / trading site mentorship / $800 per year Eiger / mentorship courses / $69 - $1199 NihabaAshi / trading mentorship / $193 - $473 Predictor / manual and mentorship / unknown, through email add only I will post the others after discovering what they are trying to sell and for how much. Thanks

If his response to your grilling means anything they must be pretty wordy "reports". Man they are lengthy replies. You do know how to bait the hook Tams!!:haha:

Our vendor list with names product and price: Electroniclocal / 3 day seminar / $5000 Steve46 / daily coaching / $200 per month Urma Blume / tradestation inducator package addon / $1400 per year Logic / manual / $750 nhallett / 5 hour course / $297 Rande Howell / multi media courses + 10 personal sessions / $ 2997 Dbphoenix / ebook / $30 TheRumpledOne / indicators / $50 swisstrader / multicharts package/ free - $9990 doubletop11 / indicator package / $1000 per year Tim Racette / ebook / $49.95 alleyb / trading site mentorship / $800 per year Eiger / mentorship courses / $69 - $1199 NihabaAshi / trading mentorship / $193 - $473 Predictor / manual and mentorship / unknown, through email add only I will post the others after discovering what they are trying to sell and for how much. Thanks

Tams you are making me laugh again:haha: Careful not to drive this cat off the edge, he'll wear his fingers out with a respose to your one liner questions. Too funny!!

He offers mentorship in his visitor messages with an outside email address given. I'd call that vending!! But without product and price how can you put him on the list?

Why would a vendor be ashamed of his occupation? If a member happens to be a vendor what harm would it do for others to know? If they desperately wanted to be an unknown vendor then simply don't solicit and don't use a name or handle of a known vendor.

Too True!! What, perfect isn't good enough?

Glad to see you're always thinking of the good old USA Tams!! For a man from Australia that sure says alot!! Took a walk down Solar Dr. in Geelong Australia tonight courteousy of Google maps, that's one mighty sweet place to live, you're one lucky fella Tams.

Yah I never thought of that, kind of like being sold the book, "All you'll ever need to learn about trading Vol 2, new, updated and expanded edition":doh:

Tams I believe this is Holy Grail #2 The first holy grail either exploded or was burnt in a fire along with the code:helloooo: Thus the reason for this new edition. It wasn't because the first Holy Grail failed, that's for sure!! In answer to your second question, it was updated after the fire/explosion. In answer to your third question, the performance records were lost in said fire. Lastly and most unfortunately in answer to your fourth question, the people who knew about the Holy Grail were the ones who started the fire in order to keep the rest of us from ever finding out about it's awesome potential.:rofl::rofl::rofl: I hope that helps Tams!

If only I coould remember which pair of jeans I left that coupon in. Hopefully not the pair that went through the wash. What am I gonna do?