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Vague ideas... no problem with that... all great inventions where originally vague ideas let me see Pyenner what your first vague idea its all about... you have a very strong midline (magenta line ) it is a line in the sand... we could say that she represents some kind of center of all action and from that line we could expect centrifugal or centripetal action... In this idea you are presenting a centripetal action (refreshing) to the magenta line.. and you are using the smaller vmas to time entries with some laddering... would this be the idea ? cheers Walter.

And a short video about this ones with a little hint of what I am playing on the open Vma research thread... cheers Walter. Icons today.swf

So how are we going so far today with the "VMAR Icon" trades... lets see 3 trades did follow real time 2nd and 3rd... first the setupings on 5 min : then the entries (classic definition) : and the exiting... trade 2 was a stop as it crossed back darkgreen line on 1 min... now the third... its still running ¡¡ thanks to 5 min trail... once again using 5 min for exits gives us a much better RRR... cheers Walter.

they are gone ?¡¡ ? cant believe that... Notouch I would strong recomend you the last version from Pyenner`s work... its just much better.. and you will be more in tune with all that is coming in front... it works on MT4 wich doesnt have any conections issues as well... any way I attach the VT original ind¡cator... cheers Walter. fantail_vma.zip

For example... one simple "Trend definition" could be using a larger base vma line with inputs 1-256-128-0-1 (cyan line) and saying : red > cyan = up trend red < cyan = down trend so that could give trend definition... then timing could be managed with ladderings of the red with the spreading of its bollinger... I am thinking in loud voice... totally just ideas... cheers Walter.

Certainly Pyenner the EDGE on this indicator is the "horizontal efect" come and go... when it starts as when it finishes... it tells us a shift of cycle to trending condition... I spend years trying to find an indicator that could tell me without lagging that information and you know what vualà¡¡¡ :thumbs up:... 12 years later we got it ¡¡ and Bemac, Igorad and yourself Pyenner got a great credit on it ¡¡... cheers Walter.

I am playing, just playing... we are authorized to do so here.... look at this chart... aud/usd 1 min with fantailvma1 inputs 1-128-64-0-1 and applied to it a bollinger band 20-3 of previos indicators data.... hmmm

Thanks De colores... I am greatfull to God for all his mercys to me... glad you like the thread... there is still some optimizations on the way... feel free to interact, ask questions etc... cheers Walter.

Island... I am not able to download your charts... you can upload them here at TL this thread tells you how to do so http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/f30/how-to-post-a-chart-properly-805.html If you can re-post this ones, I will apreciate... cheers Walter.

jejejejej SUPERB POST Pyenner... you are a man after my heart... I also do have this type of brainstorms myself ¡¡¡ awesome ¡¡ I think we have several paralel topics to aboard as you described above... let me see if I am in sync here... FIRST TOPIC : the black line directional movement (could we call it "laddering" ? ) with also the aid of a smaller "turbo vma" telling us some hints of what the blackline will do in front... this could be used for "timing" purposes and the edge relies on the horizontal effect plus the incredible responsivnes on the Cycle/trending stage shift from the vma... so that duo (black line and its turbo) are a complete subject to research on.. SECOND TOPIC : A Rainbow of base lines ¡¡¡ :stick out tongue::shocked::shocked::thumbs up::thumbs up: that is a Terrific topic... I cant say it will outperform our rainbow... but base lines as you mentioned before are doing a "drummond effect" on taking multiple time frames into one chart... what cautivates me on this idea is that the horizontal effect from higher time frames could be plotted on just one time frame and if we take the "turbo" reading from smaller to bigger lines we could have "anticipations" of laddering readings in that particular new rainbow... so this could be a complete different topic that gradually could merge with the first one.. I like the color of this research... it truly aims to put VMA on steroids... about simplicity, when original ideas come in there is not a simple plot.... ellaboration at the end of the process takes care of simplifying the last product.. so dont feel intimidated by apparent non simplicity... keep the ideas flowing ¡¡ I like this one cheers Walter.

Thanks for you kind words Island and welcome aboard ¡¡ here we started our paralel research thread on VMA... it will include optimizations on the vma as new ideas for trading http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/f24/playing-with-the-vmar-s-open-2440.html feel free to interact ¡¡ cheers Walter.

Let me see if I get this straight... here we have three vma "base lines" with diferent inputs plotted on this 1 min chart... could you tell me what inputs each one have ? It is clear that the three lines are having diferent rolls and they all get combined into one particular trend trade... Here I attach my first interpretation of the possible rolls they could have... the magenta and cyan could establish a clean trend... while the yellow could give timing as it raises from horizontal effect (laddering)... some ideas... thinking in loud voice here... I like this interaction Pyenner... keep it coming... I also have some waco ideas... cheers Walter.

Excellent explanation there Pyenner ¡¡ ... thats a great description of the intrinsic reason of why we got an indicator that its unusual and with tremendous edge... certainly the great dilema of TA is the fact that most analist are not able to dicern (at least on the right time) the shift between cyclical and trending conditions... its the big dilema of most traders... Now having this tool in hand you can clearly see the shift from one stage to another... What has powerfully called my attention on this last version Pyenner (and I would suggest numbering the versions from here on ) is the responsivnes of this black line when it starts to move in a direction after being horizontal for some time... it somehow leads (not always) quite a bit on the move... thats what calls my attention on what implications this could have as a timing tool even on the 5 min chart... the potential its yet not known... we will have to research thoroughly to be able to answer this... but common sense tells me that this type of clean performance its without doubt a good context to be working on... cheers Walter.

Glad to hear that drchemik ¡¡ feel free to interact... cheers Walter.

Here I open this new paralel thread so we can play arround freely with some cool nice ideas that vmar`s actually could suggest... I start this thread inspired on Pyenner`s work coding the Vmar on Mt4 on a way some thought we could not get there... it had been surprised that even this last version of Pyenner work has outperformed the original VT version... As he already presented some charts that got me thinking and some posts about possible variations, I know he can play arround freely here as myself and other traders can suggest new inovative aplications of this variations... In my case I already had been doing some research related to scalping with this indicators, then I droped that research as did not have yet Pyenner`s last version of vmar... NOW I am more motivated to pick up again this paralel research and play here on this thread... SO... let the creativity and interaction start... enjoy ¡¡ lets have fun ¡¡ hope you guys when trading succesfully remember to give back what God gives us with such generosity... cheers Walter. Another day on paradise (Phill Collins)...

And a video about this trades with Pyenners last version... cheers Walter. Vmar Icons with Pyenner last version.swf

MasterBlaster showed an alternative of trailing exits on the 5 minutes charts... I started to look how this could be done from a VMAR perspective.. and yes its just AWESOME the posibilities we have in order to cash in big moves without any mayor inconvenience in terms of noise... thats why I am still optimizing this exit definitions as I believe we can come up with something better yet... on this charts you can see the previous three trades having an exit on the first Thick Lime line on the 5 min charts... bars crossing this Lime Thick line (first line after yellow band )... thats an idea to cash longer exits wich equals better RRR... cheers Walter.

Let me share here some VMAR Icons from today if we used the last version of Pyenner`s superb piece of work... On the 5 min we se the setupings of this 3 trades... Now if we used the classic entry timing (so far the balck line crossing the darkgreen line on 1 min) we would have this entries... now you can see Vmar`s are doing their job... on trend determination as on timing... I still believe we can optimize more the timing from some other variations I am testing... about exits on next post let me show you an alternative on 5 minutes... cheers Walter.

Another comparisson on the 5 min... Pyenner vs Igorad 2 ... notice the horizontal effect and the ladder effect on the Pyenner version.. nice and clean... cheers Walter.

And here we have another example of what type of evolutions (optimizations)can be possible thanks to the unresting research souls... In this case Pyenner has posted a new version of the VMA wich outperforms Igorad 2 and you know what ? it even outperforms VT original version ¡¡ Pyenner vs Igorad 2 Pyenner vs VT Congratulations Pyenner ¡¡ and thanks for your non easy conformity.... For the sake of simplicity I once again attach the last Pyenner indicator and template... cheers Walter. Pyenner last.zip

Site was down today so couldnt add much here but here is a 5 min chart where you can see this icons how they give you an entry on the best spot of a potential move... cheers Walter.

Pyenner : what you actually bring here is a complete new set of VMA`s that envision a posible new set of epiphany`s ¡¡ just very interesting stuff ¡¡ I can not still say how they could actually be used or taken the most advantage from... but it certainly calls my attention as the core techniacal issue of this thread plays arround the "horizontal effect" and what I can see here is that you are basicly taking the horizontal effect to the next level... Please Pyenner if its not a problem can I open a new thread to play intesive on this variations, I must confess I have a glad mambo and would like to re-organize this last indicators of yours and discuss thourogly about them and the alternatives we can play with them... tell me if there is no problem I will start that right now... cheers Walter.

For the traders that are following this thread... here I attach the status of this research process... So far I can say that the setuping is 100% defined on my research... now in terms of timing and exiting I find that VMA has some very interesting small variations to experiment with and get into some optimization... I will keep you all posted... please all suggestions are very welcome at this point... cheers Walter.

sorry here is the chart...

Thanks Pyenner for this very nice contributions... you got me lost on this last post... could you post me a chart of what you mean ? it sounds interesting... by the way I loaded this last template of yours and it looks exactly the same to Igorads 2nd Version... maybe the template its not calling the new indicator... I superimposed the FantailVMA1 (red line)... by the way the crossings between the black and this red are interesting jejejeje... :helloooo: thanks for all this Pyenner... cheers Walter.