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Hi mr KNC... could you show us a chart of that ?... I like their names jejeje cheers Walter.

Small video of how to create an ma of x indicator on mt4... cheers Walter. how to insert ma of indi on mt4.swf

Here I attach the template of the 1 min chart for my last possible timing optimization... (blue and white lines) Now I believe that what Pyenner is programming will mostly outperform this one... so stay tunned... cheers Walter. last 1 min timing.tpl

well about HE`s ... if this particular version would be used for timing only we should be ok... the idea actually on this optimization is to get clean and leading entries... so let the HE from the previous version keep working for us in terms of settuping... I believe we will get to the point of using diferent versions for diferent definitions... cheers Walter.

Pyenner, you rock man ¡¡ that relationship looks very clean and leading at the same time... I believe we will get to the point of getting to an "almost" perfect timing... great stuff ¡¡ cheers Walter.

Hi Clym and welcome aboard ¡¡ I dont know what exactly happened with your post but now it did appear... interesting, I never knew excel could be used for charting... just curious, how do you feed data into excel ? very interesting programing there, for what I see you got some nice chart there... feel free to interact.. cheers Walter.

Hey Island ... I see you grasped the edge here on the new timing ¡¡ about the lines plotted on 1 min chart, I still like to see all of them in my chart because I can still compare old vs new performances... also this black line still could be used for the exit optimization... (thought exits could be optimized on 5 min ) but on this stage of research I still look at all the lines... later we will see what we leave on the chart... Glad you like this method Island... feel free to post charts ¡¡ cheers Walter.

Hi Brown... the fervor maybe is growing ¡¡ as thru more extensive research I had found more optimized timing methods... those explanations are on the other thread here http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/24/playing-with-the-vmar-s-open-2440-5.html#post19142 if the VMAR Icon is working ? I would say its rocking... he was suffering of some lag before on his timing, now he will be more competitive with the new timing method... I am still not trading forex live... originally my idea was to go live on forex on january next year, but as things are evolving so well I probably will go live sometime end of september or begining october... I like to have a good stable miriad of paper trades before going live, other wise its just wasting money... so yes trial and error its still under way... thats how we got this beautifull optimizations ¡¡ Brown I do visit your corner once in a while and I am so glad to see your great inputs ¡¡ I have a great respect for you as a trader and analist... certainly the sharing process is a constructive one for the the one who shares ¡¡ cheers Walter.

And here is the video on this progress... cheers Walter. Possible Timing Optimization.swf

Please look at this post http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/24/playing-with-the-vmar-s-open-2440-4.html from #38 on as I aboard the timing optimization there... I revisit this previous three trades with a very possible optimization of our entry timing definitions using vma.... cheers Walter.

Today I posted this 3 trades here http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/24/walter-s-forex-trend-trades-2364-22.html wich I consider timing not on the best optimized perfomance... Now lets revisit this 3 "VMAR Icon" Trades with this possible timing optimization... you will notice trade 1 and 2 did have a great difference, maybe trade 3 there was not much difference... but on the overall performance of this timmings we had clean and leading entries... If you observe when the blue line crosses his white signal line the black line its still way on the other side of the dark green... in the second trade we had an HE on the blackline that did not give us any pull behind the darkgreen line wich as too the classic entry rules there would not be trade... thanks to the new possible optimization we would have a very good entry... lots to meditate on folks.. let me add video... cheers Walter.

Ok.. excellent coffee ¡¡ argentinean ¡¡ you see my base line (blackline) on the vmar 1 min is a Pyenners fantailvma1 with this inputs 2-4-8-0-1... now if we want to see something of quirurgical precision and still see this horizontal efect, I tried this inputs 1-1-4-0-1 wich means specially that I reduced my adx to 4... mmmm as to Pyenners explanations I would interpret that this new inputs would emulate like looking a smaller time frame... how does it look ? let me show you alone : well its the most near to a step ma BUT its NOT a step ma... because the steps are not dictated by price action alone... rather by price action and volatility... now thats a cute piece of moving average representing the real price action as he is also representing whats really going on in his volatility... that blue line is representing a real sustained move not only by price action but also by momentum action... let me tell you guys, this IS a powerfull line if you really meditate on whats behind the calculation... noisy ? maybe... but remember we are on a CLEAN context looking at our setups on 5 minutes... so lets live the cleaning sanitary aspect to that timeframe... now I need more leading anticipation.. I want to get inside the trade more early.. I want to cash more pips from the begining and dont want to leave so much on the table as I showed on previous examples... (thats why my timing definitions are still on open research)... Now lets add to this line a simple signal... in this case I add a sma 6 of the vma... how does it look ? : in this case the white line can help us read more easy a trigger signal and as it is a quite tight signal line we will mostly always have her there to help us click the mouse... its a visual aid into trading its a way to have clear rules, so you can relax more on the process of specific timing decision... Now lets see this two lines on the 1 min vmar context: here is where we can start to compare the edge of still having an HE and at the same time we can see how much anticipated is our entry into our trade.. The red circles tells us how this new vma and signal gave a much early entry in comparisson to our classic (black line cross darkgreen line) cyan circles.... on the next post let me show you how the last three icon trades I posted on the other thread could be timed with this possible new method... cheers Walter.

On this paralel research I am principally focusing on the Horizontal Effect (HE) and the "laddering" effect it causes... my optimization at this time is focused into timing... I would love to be able to time better my trades, still with the HE concept of absorbing noise on the "erratic pullback"... all this concepts are dealed on this thread http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/f24/walter-s-forex-trend-trades-2364.html So one of the problems I encountered on the other thread has been in some cases: extreme lagging entries... let me show you some examples of this lag wich I know it can be optimized without loosing the vma HE edge... you can see in all this cases that the entries could had been done with more anticipation... NOW... HOW ? and still use the vma with its HE edge ? one of my ideas is arround the "quirurgical" "very specific timing" in 1 min... using smaller inputs on the vma so we can have a more leading signal STILL very clean one on the context of an erratic pullback scenario... I will take some coffee and keep posting... cheers Walter.

Hello dear fellow traders... here I come to recap on some "VMAR Icon" Trades we had... very very clear setups ¡¡ still timing had some issues that will be gladly solved as the paralel research will give us some alternatives to time our entries even better with the vma... on the 5 minutes our setuppings of 3 perfect icons : if you start to train your eye on this icons setups... you will see how easy it is to spot them... they happen all the time ¡¡ NOW... in terms of timing I can still say we need more optimization... and I believe our paralel research on this thread will help us a lot http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/f24/playing-with-the-vmar-s-open-2440.html as probably we will take the most from the "Horizontal Effect" thru "laddering"... now let me share what happened today on our timing entry of this three trades: Trade 1 did lag quite in the crossing of black line to darkgreen line... I expect to optimize this entries thru our paralel methods wich will lead much more into the entry... Trade 2 is a funny case of no pullback from blackline below darkgreen... a pure horizontal effect.. once again this tells us that the paralel research on "laddering" will outperform our basic entry definition.. Trade 3 similar situation to trade 1... SO... all trades had been winners, easy to trade all.... timing is the issue on the lab... we want to optimize... it can be done.... just take a look what we are doing on the paralel thread on "laddering" and you will se how we will be able to take the most power edge from vma... cheers Walter.

I am a strong believer that oscillators should not be used for trend definition... on the other hand I believe oscillators do not necesary outperform other methods... by the contrary oscillators most of the time as leading indicators contain certain amount of noise that can be harmfull to any acct... What oscillators could have as an edge is the normalized visual scenario for specific timing purposes... the so called binary reading white/black... up/down... From my experience stochastics was my first love when I got started... they have probably the best leading with less noise BUT with a saturation component that for my surprise cci doesnt have that much... later I started to play on the optimization of cci... did a lot on TS and came with very decent formulations for timing that really got me to certain interesting performance... the black part of the cci story has been the changes in volatility and how the performance would eventually be hijacked by extreme lead or lag... thats where my curiosity was arround the idea of vma on cci if it would eventually be the case of an "horizontal effect" on the oscillator would be able to absorv this volatility changes and optimize his performance... I repeat its just an hipothesis... dont even know if it could be donned... Any way, at this point I am focusing on this open research to laddering... great concept... great potential ¡¡ cheers Walter.

if you go slowly thru the thread you will notice that the "basic trend definition" is given between the black line and magenta line on the 5 min...

Now I understand Pyenner why would it lead... thats a nice phenomena there... About the fancy oscilator, its just a waco idea, in the future if you get some inspiration and have energy would be interesting other wise I believe the research right now is on a complete diferent arena... thanks for this synergized collaboration... I am testing diferent inputs on vmas... they really change quite... about the adx type input, how would they work ? they are set default to 0... are they other numbers /types ? cheers Walter.

Pyenner : would you like to take a shot on some waco programing ? its an idea that could be very usefull or just a pure experiment without any use... this is my great question now... you all now I am a CCI lover... I use a lot of CCI on my timing... right now I am impressed with timing potential of vma... what I was wondering was : how would it look a pyenner vma applied to a cci ¡¡ jejejeje... dont get me wrong I am very curios mind... now not any cci... but specifically fxsnipper T3 CCI wich already is a CCI smoothed by a T3 average... Here I atach an image of him : I draw an imagination of this vma... would it look like that ? I dont know if its possible Pyenner, also dont want to abuse your good disposition... but do you think this could be possible ? no compromise... cheers Walter. also attach fxsnipert3 cci.. FX Sniper's T3 CCI.mq4

Thank you guys.. there is lot of work and fun ahead ¡¡... and the final product will be so simple even a 8 years old boy can trade... please all inputs are more than welcome... cheers Walter.

Ok Notouch... glad to interact ¡¡ thats the countertrend alternative and I call that an inverted Icon...( really did not posted here as I dont want new people confused) now you know I am a countertrader on futures and that could be a lazy trade where it does the refresh process back to the magenta line... Now about time frames... my time frame IS the 5 min chart... all setups are formed there.. then the 1 min I use it for "very specific timing"... so I am actually not trading from the 1 min but from the 5 min and use the 1 min for more quirurgical entries... wich in this case vmar on 1 min does a very nice job... For example that trade you are showing could be timed this way on 1 min as the black line crosse th darkgreen line : now the nice thing is that 1 min at this point of my evolution only is used for this quirurgical entries... then for exits I go back to the 5 min and have a more large perspective of the trade... having a much better RRR... cheers Walter.

This is a video about the first perspective I have on the "Laddering"... the take off after an HE... it tells me a lot... al vague ideas here jejejej... cheers Walter. Laddering.swf

yea... absolutely... notouch : on the paralel research you will see how we are trying to get that start of trend (laddering) as soon as posible... it is a challenge that could end up on some interesting timing method... cheers Walter.

The "horizontal effect" is the true backbone of the chimps epiphany... without horizontal efect (HE) we are just presenting another regular TA method... but with the HE we are talking about something diferent, something with edge, something that opens to new research dimensions... The HE tells us a lot of things... it tells us the shift of condition between cycle and trending.. Now when the HE finishes and the line starts to travel in one particular direction it is telling us that we may have some posible timing readings with this feature... I call that "Laddering"... you are having a ladder literally and its telling you, we may travel in that direction... let me explain a little on next post with a video... cheers Walter.

it would be... but there are some things that we must add here and is the fact that not all this readings are neccesary focused into the setuping process... thats why the point 6 is more related to the management of an open trade and not the opening Normally in the case of the icon you will anticipate all the momentum conditions to unfold somehow after you are in the trade, if they do, they will give you confidence to stay in the trade... point 7 has also a new alternative on the 5 minute chart( bars crossing lime thick line) wich I believe is giving the RRR we needed... also the laddering concept is laid out here but its not much used in relation to the icon trade... on the new paralel thread this concept may become more used... thanks notouch, I like to get really inside the intrinsic concepts... what I would like to know is if you grasped all the power behind the "horizontal effect" wich actually is the backbone of this method... I would like to know your reading about that as I believe thats the real core edge on this thread... cheers Walter.

the crossover of the black line to the darkgreen line is used on the 1 minute chart... on this 5 min chart we would be looking for the icons... in that pattern context there is good chance that the crossings on the 1 min will do work... Hope that brings some light... cheers Walter.