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“I suspect that flow … is the integration of all levels of our being.” That’s as good a way of putting it as any … but I just do not care anymore about the ‘causes’, theories, ‘scientific’ quantification, etc. Seeing a picture, “seeing a fragmented picture”, “none of which allow us to see the full picture” - trying this, trying that; sticking with this construct, sticking with that construct… … as if we must ‘understand’ a sufficient quantity of the “fragments” in order to enter the state… when actually all these ‘understandings’ may, in many cases, impede entering flow. For the vast majority, “discover[ing] all the dimensions of flow” would not ‘get them out of the way’ of flow at all… Most posts will stay on topic - mind centered, even the plain speak ones and/or zen and/or mediation and/or measurement and/or … and/or … and/or whatever … My posts are : offftoppic: ie they are for those few who ‘need’ flow and are willing and able to pay the price for sustained flow. For them, my message is simple - clearing bound flow from the first body is the only way to sustain flow for LONG periods ... flow for every waking (and best I can tell, every sleeping ) moment for days, weeks, months. No matter how ‘good’ you get at the ‘techniques’ with mind, any uncleared mysofascial, etc. ‘bound flow’ in the first body will repeatedly interrupt one back below the threshold of flow. Without clearing bound flow in the first body, using the mind tools (both classic and modern) to train to know just when to go “non-deliberative”, etc, etc., becomes a discipline to have mind “attention” attempt to instigate regaining flow again with this or that practice, – over and over and over … too fatigue eventually… ie mind is an unreliable, even artificial ‘source’ of flow… …and am not saying that ‘mind’ needs to be removed from the process… a specific ‘blend’ and alternation and succession of the attention types Dr. Fehmi so aptly identified is required during the far from mindless work of clearing bound flow in the first body... also, in my experience, plain awareness is ultimately the best (bio)feedback - especially in the ever changing ocean of peptides, neurotransmitters, hormones, etc…

Hopefully not that much differently from anyone else in flow. The self “trust” and ‘mistrust” issue is simply absent, etc Karoshiman said way early in the thread “Problem is: How To Listen?” That ‘problem is’ is simply not a problem, etc… More operationally, my trading is centered in very granular MarketTyping. These MarketTypes are very transient and I need to be able to switch up systems and switch to that system’s best “dimension of attention” (see FXGirl’s post #100 just above) quite facilely. Also, trading some of the systems comes quite naturally, but others are quite challenging and require more energy to master and implement ( see Steve46’s post #106 ) ... 'needs' for flow... ...my post only departs from consensus neuroscience babble in one area. Our friends all up in neuroscience keep sourcing flow up in the headbrains. Again, see FXGirl’s excellent post just above for an example -“phase-synchronous alpha”. It’s all neuro this, brainwave that, lobe this, hemisphere that, etc etc etc… Many with a ‘neuro’ orientation would simply say I’m just suggesting training the brain to enter ‘state’ (frequency, meditative, whatever the current terms are) while in physical discomfort... on to the departure I’m saying flow starts in the first body. If you are committed to flow, don’t entrain brainwaves or practice mindfulness. Go clear to the body of bound flow – and voila all the alpha’s and gamma’s and attentions, etc will be ‘sittin’ right there waitin’ on you’. An analogy: In my view they are continuing to research and tweak the motherboard performance in compensation - without paying any attention at all to a low, dirty, sporadic power supply. Denise is really starting to get at it in http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/trading-psychology/12508-unconscious-vs-conscious-competence-8.html#post144169 , but I’m still guessing she (and most of her research pals) are still not ready to get down with the practices I’m encouraging. My experience is that it goes far beyond simple neurology and I would bet if they went to the mat for a year they would change their tune too. …and John thanks for all of your plain-speak posts herein Gotta go – some of ya’ll would literally shit in your brains if you knew how much some of these posts ‘cost’ me… and have a great weekend all.

It’s system specific … see http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/trading-markets/11903-hard-stop-placement-great-contradiction.html Limiting your losses is one of the few things you have consistent control over in trading… So - very very generally / for the Beginners Forum / for many systems - If that is the point that will have proven your original position 'wrong' then you should set it, regardless of what 'they' know or do.

Preface: These are HARD CORE comments for those who may be drawn to it ‘as a way’ … ie this post is for you the one freak outlier ‘out there’. You normals out there, please just ignore and keep on gettin’ up - great thread. Note: this post is a little or a lot off topic. As far as I can tell the OP still prefers to maintain the separation between the ‘two competencies / minds’ and most of the other posts are targeted at either how to “keep intuition on call” or whether to trust the most present occurrence of an ‘intuition’ or not. This post does NOT A THING to preserve that separation … hence in that way it = off topic Also, in no way does this post devalue the practices (mindfulness, zen bud, meditation, relaxation response, entrainment, yada yada, etc, etc, etc.) themselves or diminish anything said about the ‘mind works’ either… btw Welcome back, Denise. We wondered why you leave http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/trading-psychology/7422-what-psychologists.html#post86919 If you have time please briefly tell us why over there Thanks. “Flow starts in the first body.” zdo . This means although flow can be accomplished ‘mentally’ (ie it is possible for a parapalegic to sustain flow as long as s/he can clear bound flow) by [ extremely extremely] far, the most direct route to building a ground for flow is through focused, real time work in the first body. This does not mean you have to be in perfect health and fitness to flow. Real flow is not even bound to circumstance(s) at all. But it does mean if the first body is not clear, you will / may have ‘flashes’ of flow, but you have NO chance of living in flow. “Flow is your natural state… your birthright…” Scott Sonnen. It is nothing special really. “Flow One is either in Flow or in bound-flow While there are gradients to bound flow The transition between flow and bound-flow is a discrete quanta” http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/trading-psychology/7576-flow-thyself.html#post93128 Bound Flow develops from … sorry dude, I don’t really care anymore. The practical and generally accepted theories go along the lines of: …bound flow comes from reactions / systemic adaptations to ‘trauma’ / ‘insults’ /.'distress' to the system that, if not cleared within 6 hours, are stored/remembered in the multiple locations ‘out’ in the physical body… that are also associated with particular and general brain memories… and are also chained to the emotional component of the memory yada yada.;. Mix in some stuff from the various, parallel energetic and eastern and western ‘alchemical’ models, yada yada. The term fear-reactivity is synonymous with bound flow… but that term inevitably opens up a trail back to all the various ‘fix your fears and maladaptive emotional reactions with thoughts’ models Development of bound flow / reactions to ‘trauma’ are very ‘individualized’ – ie holding everything else the same, two different people would develop completely different bindings from the same experience… and an individual could develop completely different bindings from the same experience holding everything else the same except for example time of day, etc. Again, I don’t really care anymore about the ‘causes’ …hey, a perfect excuse for a whole bunch of you to get off this bus… Clearing bound flow in the first body: Simply – mindfully find and fully exhale into all your bindings. “One” at a time – until they are all gone. I put quotes around “One” because they actually always come as a connected group… but that only becomes obvious after you start getting into the subtleties of the work. Use the breath to ‘relax’ into challenging physical positions. The work is simple, but difficult. Done properly, the rate of perceived effort and discomfort is quite high. NO pain! (but) EXTREME discomfort. We started with a full bus. We’re down to about 80% off the bus now. How do you know when you have cleared your bindings? You’ll be in flow. ie you never do ‘try’ to get into flow. The doing you do is to clear the bound flow… (If you need some suggestions for ‘beginners’, contact me privately. I’ve already _____ this thread enough…) Finally, this way includes the ‘being’ and ‘loving’ and ‘doing’ and ‘having’ that does not form bindings from new, real time experiences … or re-form in recently cleared ‘places and spaces’ (ie hologram themselves back into existence). One way of describing it is - an in the present, ‘deliberative practice’ - not just in the strife and vicissitudes of trading, but of life itself. And from the ground of ‘non flash’ flow, all the methods and specialties (that the masters and practitioners herein and elsewhere are imo erroneously putting first and prime* ) take on whole new meanings and relevance. … mindfulness, for example - Mindfulness that emerges from within flow is ‘more better’ than mindfulness that is trying to get into flow, etc, etc. etc. …this is an off - topic post... only one guy left on the bus…time to hit the switch …

:helloooo: …to get to non - “out of the blue” with it, how much time per day have you committed to this…and for how many years? __________________ Regards...Tim "I made a mistake by learning something "

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BlueHorseShoe pretty much nailed it in post #7. I’d add that “Noise” isn’t noise to everyone in the exact same way… so If, for any reasons, you want/need to see and include inactive times (, congestion, small corrections, and… etc ) in your work, then time based charts are the way to go… else if you need to filter those patterns and use representations that emphasize movement, then the non time based charting methods are the way to go… Inaccurate filtering, in general, degrades the pattern recog performance of many traders. Joshdance just said it succinctly - “what view of the market do you NEED to see? “

Did you ever consider that if your "unconscious competence" >|: is making ‘uninvited’ attempts to ‘contribute’ that the tasks you’ve set for your "conscious competent" 'side' may be in slight overload or too repetitive ?

not exactly sure what you mean by "basis" … it was just some thoughts… not the fkn be all to end all answer if I'm paraphrasing someone can't reference it at the moment... … anyways, further reading would most likely be a misstep… a hindrance… :haha: maybe I was just looking at the venerable, trusted, old, reliable authority - the tao jones average ??? all the best

roztom, just some thoughts for you... and also approaching the limits of language comm btw Have you questioned your use of the word “conflict”?. There is no conflict betwn them. "conflict " is never an issue. Separation and loss of unity is the issue. All the experience of “conflict” occurs only in the "conscious brain" side as a result of the rending /separation Conscious competence comes from working to be focused progressively through the key aspects of a repetitive task on as many of your attempts at the activity as is possible. Selective practice, etc... UnConscious competence naturally and automatically develops as neurology grooves what to do. … btw As outcomes of activites become less and less ‘newtonian’ (like driving) and more uncertain / randomlike (like trading), it is increasingly difficult for uncon competence to emerge and be sustained because the ‘prediction and control’ links btwn perceptions and instrumental acts are not as solidly reliable… but Applying any willpower to the process of developing unconscious competence will actually impede it. Any judging will maintain the separation and divide and destroy the natural trust / union btwn them… and …Behind judging is the mistaken assumption that the whole is here to serve the "conscious brain" side. Judging is the apparently ‘easy’ way that leads to depletion ('gut' connections become tenuous and unreliable, etc… ultimately adrenal fatigue, etc. ) instead of the much preferred ‘flow’ / being pretty much on a roll all the time…( something most people / traders don’t even believe is possible, btw) The whole does not exist to support the conscious mind. The whole is there to support the whole. The best role the conscious part can assume is to 1) nonjudgmentally and as accurately as possible ‘re-create’ its representation of reality for the whole to utilize in its 'work' and 2) to simply focus on what needs to be focused on in the moment. The whole is more than adequately intelligent and can handle the ‘choices’ too. The whole system / the uncon is already ‘unconsciously competent’ at handling most every activity. It can handle more – much more. The trouble begins and continues when the conscious / ego attempts to appropriate roles it was never ‘created’ to do… One possible path - develop "conscious competence" in real time mindful awareness practice of simply being aware of when and how you are ‘judging’ . Example: note the difference between your thinking and inner content when you are just observing reality as best you can - and then when you are critically noting what you did wrong (as traders are likely to do on losing trades or as an acct bal drops, etc.)… Example: note when you are in effect ‘choosing what is chosen’ instead of attempting to control ... What are your alternatives to 'judging'? How deeply habitual is it ? ie How unconsciously competent are you at it? hth . barely, really really barely, related… but interesting… How to Think Like a Mad Man, Find your Edge & Risk Little for Lots - Gresham's Law

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thx. But I’m far more interested in what s/he has come up with individually than in what google “thinks”. google ‘thinks’ like a ‘sort’ - for profit … not what I’m after in this thread

Yep next time start a separate thread. thx Consider adding the various known eye nutrients – lutein, etc Not as directly related but I personally would up dosing of astaxanthin ! Consider herbals … high quality coleus forskohli (sp?) is the only one that pops into my head right now… ...basically find what works for you ... and work on getting off the prescription as soon as possible... plus high quality soft sensimilia cannib buds :rofl: just joking… not really recommending it (unless you have other conditions that makes it worthwhile to damage your soul…) (taking at least one day a week off from all of them, btw) hth all the best, zdo

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…the paucity of suggestions – sign of enlightenment or sign of barren conditions in the trading book field ? For the noobs, I will try to expand on what izzhamu was sort of getting at above. There is a relatively brief stage of trader development where ravenous reading is indicated… but…do not read trading books for content. Read trading books as a way to bring up into your conscious awareness from somewhere deep within you what you really already know… then you can make a deliberate choice about whether or not to act upon it. ...also, for many, it would be best to look for trading books about taking $ instead of "for Making $" :missy: thread r.i.p.

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