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Yep, guys, guilty as charged - “trashing everyone” The points I so inadequately made in my reply to MM’s post were 1) that two guys scenario is just too simple, too much of single variable solution, to be of any real use. ie MM, I didn’t give you a straight answer to your scenario…. Mostly because there are two answers. One is the answer we all wish would work. The other is the one that would really be implemented circa the “heated arguments” 2) More importantly, the scenario is irretrievably complicated beyond being of practical value by the fact that in these mass murder/suicide cases, the “heated argument has already ensued” for the perpetrators long before the ‘meetings’ begin. An example: for Anders Breivik, the “heated argument had already ensued” for a decade… Laws have different meanings for these ‘brain disordered’ souls than they do for normals. Anders Breivik is also a pretty typical sample of the persistence, the ‘by any means’, in obtaining weapons and ammo. It didn’t matter to him if the guns were legal or illegal – so long as the procurement process didn’t tip off his intentions to law enforcement. . (and btw, access to guns there was just about as restrictive as the big apple gun-grabbers want it to be here – and that didn’t prevent ‘nuthin’) Murderers, and in this case mass murderer suicides, are statistically clustered in the mid teens to approx age 35. (24% of murders in the US are committed by 18 to 20 year olds, etc etc.) Delayed / disrupted development of THE PREFRONTAL CORTEX is involved in this clustering of course but that is only a small part of it. The whole brains are involved. Emotional/limbic/amygdala, etc ‘centers’ are always involved. Self prescribed pain ‘management’ is always involved. Plus - anthropologically, some of the stats Ingot posted about murder rates indicate the US population may even have more genetic markers for murderous disorders than do other regions. Doubtful, but still maybe a factor... nature + nurture, genetics + environment... Yes, what Ingot labeled "national psyche", with what has been called a ‘wild west’ culture by some, a culture of hate and fear by others, a culture where life itself is losing value on the edges – the bias, my friends, is not exactly pro-life anymore… yes, that is involved, but it is not cause for mass murder suicides… and is an argument for arming as much as it is for disarming individuals. Resources sent to identifying brain disorders, biochemical imbalances, the mentally disturbed would be much more appropriate and effective in getting at cause than sending the resources and energy to yet more bureaucracies for making the ‘tools’ unavailable to nutcases via making them unavailable to everyone... especially when those tools are already out ‘there’ in volume and can now be printed up from scratch. Anatomical, structural, hormonal , and functional anomaly outliers are easier to ‘see’ than ever. If we as a culture really cared, (which we don’t imo, because we don’t even consider working with this kind of thing until a horrible tragedy evokes the fkn emotional hell out of us) – anyways if we really cared, we would learn to locally intervene as families, neighbors, and communities in the brain disorders. And yes it would involve keeping dangerous objects out of the hands of these brain disordered cases… and no! it would not involve knee jerk trying to keep dangerous objects out of the hands of everyone. The gun-owners I know are simply not that stupified and irresponsible... Govt run wars on guns, alcohol, drugs, etc. never "might help" enough to alter the rates of the disturbances underlying personal misuse of the perpetrators/abusers ‘fixes’. Yes, govt systemic intervention might ‘prevent’ a small sample from ever occurring ( which I suspect is all the 'please do something for us mob' wants)... but it is also just as likely to trigger the manifestation of more incidents that would not have occurred sans gov’t solutions. If it makes you feel better, which apparently it does for a whole bunch of you, then go ahead and “make it simple”... just to be sure though, you can never say that no one told you that “make it simple” won’t work. Trashed yet?

That was not simple enough for me…. Why not? Because A heated argument ensues. ! Both the gun nuts and gun grabbers tend to neglect that part. You just did. When “a heated argument ensues”, “the bias in favor of life” goes poof. Whether ‘chronic’ or ‘episodic’ , the brain governs violent behavior. Research shows that ‘defects’ in the hippocampus can cause rage, "as if you poured gasoline on a fire-and it went whoosh!" states Benson E. Ginsburg, a geneticist. "200,000 potential presidential assassins live in the United States alone. ...Many manage their delusions on the fantasy level. Others engage in other forms of violent behavior." David Hamburg, who headed the psychiatry department at Stanford University Medical School, "Hoping to rehabilitate such a violent individual through psychotherapy or education, or to improve his character by sending him to jail or by giving him love and understanding, [or taking away his tools/guns, - brackets mine] - all these methods are irrelevant and will not work. It is the brains malfunction itself that must be dealt with, and only if this fact is recognized is there any chance of changing behavior." Violence and the Brain Vernon Mark and Frank Ervin Abnormal chemicals in the brain fuel violence Many people with chronic and episodic behavior disorders have abnormal toxic mineral levels in their blood. These imbalances can easily be diagnosed via tests of blood and urine. Parents, educators and mental health providers need to become aware of the nutritional research, some of it decades old, that can TREAT these individuals, many of whom are currently on pharmaceutical medications that only mollify them up to a certain point then diabolically trigger and exacerbate their delusions, suicidal tendencies and impulses to violence. Unstable brain chemistry is the cause of "heated argument ensues". Unstable brain chemistry is likely more of a factor with what snapped with the Newtown, Conn. shooter than was who "brought a gun". The ability to commit antisocial behavior and violence against people is not a choice for people with altered brain chemistry. The brain is altered and nothing short of fixing the individual biochemical and activity outliers will start to get at our 'violence' and 'homocide' issues. So, statistically, the idiots who showed up to your "heated argument" without tools, ie without a gun, are ultimately the losers. Reams more of legislated morality won’t move that simplicity one bit. I truly wish the people of the world were ready… christbodhi enough … to be sufficiently non violent and to ‘disarm’. They ain’t! Not at an individual level AND EVEN LESS SO AT A GOVERNMENTAL LEVEL !!!!!!!!! ... so you cain’t making it simple enough The ‘grown-up’ arguments presented herein this thread are basically Read more: I'm Just Not Ready To Accept That We Have To Have Mass Shootings All The Time - Business Insider I personally am not your typical gun nut. ... and using the best scene survey and situational awareness I could muster, I seriously re-considered the ‘might help’ part of this argument… really hoping… but it did not make the threshold for me… "might help" is not enough to ban any guns. Simply - the root of the problem is not well understood. When the root of a complex problem is not well understood, sudden, 'obvious' solutions that ‘dispense’ safety via legislation, actually any solutions implemented, almost never really even help at all, tend to hurt as much as they help, and are never real solutions… Even before any legislation, the 'solution' with just the threat of losing the freedom is leading to unintended consequences. Gun Owners Freak Out After Newspaper Publishes Their Names And Addresses - Business Insider Let’s publish these maps nationwide… it’s a great idea (o snik)… would pro-gun folk ever purchase their arms ‘legally’ again? Click here to get your fkn buttons pushed… the author does his best to “make it simple” A warning to gun grabbers and collectivist media: By calling for gun control, you are unleashing your own worst nightmare Gun myths exposed: Assault rifles, full-auto, buying guns online and more - YouTube "He who does not move does not notice his chains." Rosa Luxemberg Ron Paul: Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence - BlackListedNews.com Again, I wish the people of the world were ready… christbodhi enough … to be sufficiently non violent and to ‘disarm’. They ain’t. ... and you cain’t making it simple enough. I understand your "bias", but from your posts, I think you have not had enough sustained exposure to life threatening violence and also enough exposure to crazies and craziness to really understand these issues.

Just skimmed through some of the posts since I was last in the office... Dang, it’s amazing how some of us can dismiss, twist, and smash the ‘stupid’ statistics and correlations of one poster so soundly, then turn right around and post statistics that are even more worthless... statistics that could be turned against their own position so easily, and then show even more stupidity by making even worse causal connections than did the poster they just so artfully ‘slammed’ – and btw, this observation applies to posters on ‘both’ sides of this emotional, not rational, argument … and we’re talking pages and pages of it.

What my posts have been warning about in this thread is the (understandable) emotional triggers from this tragedy that have gotten a huge mob activated. And, in typical fashion the impulse with mobs is to do something, anything, (via ‘legislation’ these days since we are so modern and civilized) to help emotional recovery. Prevent ‘it’, control ‘it’ in the future, - just do something! Normally reasonable folk get sucked up in the collective emotional vortex and fall for the false logic that boy if we could just outlaw those bad assault rifles, etc. this wouldn’t happen again, or at least as often. Or if they don't get sucked in, they don't resist with calmer minds- because of all the pain that needs 'do something' Even the “conservative”, family, NRA, etc. guys among us are tempted to get on board. Some of them emotionally jumped on board immediately. But in reality, the ‘bad guns’ would have remained a non- issue but for the overwhelming emotions stirred by the tragedy… Reason would never elicit such a response. Only raw, painful emotions… So now, they’ll do something via ‘legislation’ that in reality only temporarily gives minds some relief. But realistically… legally, nothing truly effective will really be done or can be done … except to engender future (hopefully) unintended consequences… Attempting to legally making the ‘bad guns’ less available is not a truly functional solution to mass murder/suicides. It only gives the mob a superficial emotional purification. Beyond gun availability laws we'll see other ‘solutions’ being thrown out. It ='s More please just do something! ... Like arming educators, etc… but, the teachers aren’t qualified to carry guns… heck only a few of them are truly qualified to be teachers. So don’t be surprised if homeland security goons are sent to the schools… too bad they aren’t qualified either … etc. If you’ve fallen for just do something! , please think again. Separate from the mob. They are being used! If you are tempted, please think again. Again, our thoughts and prayers are with the families and schoolmates of those killed who must now live the holidays and beyond without them Further reading... Gun Control and The Dark Corners of the Internet | Justin O'Connell | Safehaven.com http://www.naturalnews.com/038423_psychiatric_drugs_insanity_mass_murder.html

i told you so Gun Grabbers Call For Re-Education Programs In Public Schools btw... what's a gun zealot? how is that different from a gun nut ? zdo

SoulTrader was the Founder of TL Then MadMarketScientist was the Founder of TL Now TLAdmin is the Founder of TL I thought you were MMS and you just changed your name off Mad... to help the brand. I was Wrong. Turns out you are the new and different Founder of TL

The recent posts in this thread have been about “not placing a protective stop” – which is (retail) ‘codespeak’ for not taking your losses. So, ColB It’s not really “neither”. ie It’s not about knowledge or understanding – because a huge % of the retail traders who don’t place “a protective stop” (which is (retail) ‘code’ for not taking your losses) in each situation fully cognitively know and understand they should and could but literally CAN”T… with them, no amount of ‘discipline’ will consistently overcome the pattern. =~ 'mental' issues with natural biases... not just discipline issues... The only way your post is on topic is something you didn’t quite say – ‘professionals’ don’t statistically have the same issues with taking their losses as do ‘retail’ traders. Instead of most folks "disagreeing", hopefully they would just see you missed the point and veered off topic. Hope this raises your knowledge and understanding even more. :razz: zdo ... pushing lies :rofl:

You didn't miss anything - yet :helloooo: ... in case you didn't know - the world is coming to an end on 12/21/12 I was just saying goodbye to TL and the world... goodbye cruel TL goodbye cruel world btw Who the hell is TLadmin ?? MMS nom bad for the brand? :rofl:

Actually only a few talk to the rest of us about it... most of them are silence... ... Until then.......:beer: right back at you All the best, zdo

forex historically trends more than many other instrument classes. If you are taking losers home, most likely you are fighting trend more often than you would if you were taking losing positions in other instrument classes home … Generally speaking... Have you considered not taking losing positions ‘home’? …unless you also have limit orders resting at levels of even more adversity and your probs are tail high for a reversal. ??? For many if not most systems and with the ‘staying power’ / capitalization of most leveraged traders, across time, getting out of fx losers at your close is better for your bottom line than sticking in… Generally speaking... Sleep is an integral part of recovery from ‘stress’. Without adequate recovery your performance, when seen from a longer span like ‘monthly’, will go down… and down… and down… Generally speaking... hth Have a Deep Solstice, a Happy Honica, Monica And a Merry Christmas, all

12/21/12 goodbye cruel TL goodbye cruel world ... and just in case Merry Christmas All <3

mental [those with this issue typically can not fix it via applying discipline]

Generalized advice - finish school. Let the markets be a 'separate' part of your life. Devote some time to them each day or week... like you do 'playing' or 'chasing women' or whatever...

... has virtually nothing to do with religion - besides getting beyond it. I pasted it but didn't put it in quote box... citation at the bottom Don't waste your time reading it ... the world ends tomorrow anyways

OP, etc. If we look more deeply into humanity’s ancient religions and spiritual traditions, we will find that underneath the many surface differences there are two core insights that most of them agree on. The words they use to describe those insights differ, yet they all point to a twofold fundamental truth. The first part of this truth is the realization that the “normal” state of mind of most human beings contains a strong element of what we might call dysfunction or even madness. Certain teachings at the heart of Hinduism perhaps come closest to seeing this dysfunction as a form of collective mental illness. They call it maya, the veil of delusion. Ramana Maharshi, one of the greatest Indian sages, bluntly states: “The mind is maya.” Buddhism uses different terms. According to the Buddha, the human mind in its normal state generates dukkha, which can be translated as suffering, unsatisfactoriness, or just plain misery. He sees it as a characteristic of the human condition. Wherever you go, whatever you do, says the Buddha, you will encounter dukkha, and it will manifest in every situation sooner or later. According to Christian teachings, the normal collective state of humanity is one of “original sin.” Sin is a word that has been greatly misunderstood and misinterpreted. Literally translated from the ancient Greek in which the New Testament was written, to sin means to miss the mark, as an archer who misses the target, so to sin means to miss the point of human existence. It means to live unskillfully, blindly, and thus to suffer and cause suffering. Again, the term, stripped of its cultural baggage and misinterpretations, points to the dysfunction inherent in the human condition. The achievements of humanity are impressive and undeniable. We have created sublime works of music, literature, painting, architecture, and sculpture. More recently, science and technology have brought about radical changes in the way we live and have enabled us to do and create things that would have been considered miraculous even two hundred years ago. No doubt: The human mind is highly intelligent. Yet its very intelligence is tainted by madness. Science and technology have magnified the destructive impact that the dysfunction of the human mind has upon the planet, other life*forms, and upon humans themselves. That is why the history of the twentieth century is where that dysfunction, that collective insanity, can be most clearly recognized. A further factor is that this dysfunction is actually intensifying and accelerating. The First World War broke out in 1914. Destructive and cruel wars, motivated by fear, greed, and the desire for power, had been common occurrences throughout human history, as had slavery, torture, and widespread violence inflicted for religious and ideological reasons. Humans suffered more at the hands of each other than through natural disasters. By the year 1914, however, the highly intelligent human mind had invented not only the internal combustion engine, but also bombs, machine guns, submarines, flame throwers, and poison gas. Intelligence in the service of madness! In static trench warfare in France and Belgium, millions of men perished to gain a few miles of mud. When the war was over in 1918, the survivors look in horror and incomprehension upon the devastation left behind: ten million human beings killed and many more maimed or disfigured. Never before had human madness been so destructive in its effect, so clearly visible. Little did they know that this was only the beginning. By the end of the century, the number of people who died a violent death at the hand of their fellow humans would rise to more than one hundred million. They died not only through wars between nations, but also through mass exterminations and genocide, such as the murder of twenty million “class enemies, spies, and traitors” in the Soviet Union under Stalin or the unspeakable horrors of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. They also died in countless smaller internal conflicts, such as the Spanish civil war or during the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia when a quarter of that country’s population was murdered. We only need to watch the daily news on television to realize that the madness has not abated, that is continuing into the twenty*first century. Another aspect of the collective dysfunction of the human mind is the unprecedented violence that humans are inflicting on other life*forms and the planet itself – the destruction of oxygen*producing forests and other plant and animal life; ill*treatment of animals in factory farms; and poisoning of rivers, oceans, and air. Driven by greed, ignorant of their connectedness to the whole, humans persist in behavior that, if continued unchecked, can only result in their own destruction. The collective manifestations of the insanity that lies at the heart of the human condition constitute the greater part of human history. It is to a large extent a history of madness. If the history of humanity were the clinical case history of a single human being, the diagnosis would have to be: chronic paranoid delusions, a pathological propensity to commit murder and acts of extreme violence and cruelty against his perceived “enemies” – his own unconsciousness projected outward. Criminally insane, with a few brief lucid intervals. Fear, greed, and the desire for power are the psychological motivating forces not only behind warfare and violence between nations, tribes, religions, and ideologies, but also the cause of incessant conflict in personal relationships. They bring about a distortion in your perception of other people and yourself. Through them, you misinterpret every situation, leading to misguided action designed to rid you of fear and satisfy your need for more, a bottomless hole that can never be filled. It is important to realize, however, that fear, greed, and the desire for power are not the dysfunction that we are speaking of but are themselves created by the dysfunction which is a deep*seated collective delusion that lies within the mind of each human being. A number of spiritual teachings tell us to let go of fear and desire. But those spiritual practices are usually unsuccessful. They haven’t gone to the root of the dysfunction. Fear, greed, and desire for power are not the ultimate causal factors. Trying to become a good or better human being sounds like a commendable and high*minded thing to do, yet it is an endeavor you cannot ultimately succeed in unless there is a shift in consciousness. This is because it is still part of the same dysfunction, a more subtle and rarefied form of self*enhancement, of desire for more and a strengthening of one’s conceptual identity, one’s self*image. You do not become good by trying to be good, but by finding the goodness that is already within you, and allowing that goodness to emerge. But it can only emerge if something fundamental changes in your state of consciousness. The history of Communism, originally inspired by noble ideals, clearly illustrates what happens when people attempt to change external reality – create a new earth – without any prior change in their inner reality, their state of consciousness. They make plans without taking into account the blueprint for dysfunction that every human being carries within: the ego. THE ARISING NEW CONSCIOUSNESS Most ancient religions and spiritual traditions share the common insight – that our “normal” state of mind is marred by a fundamental defect. However, out of this insight into the nature of the human condition – we may call it the bad news – arises a second insight: the good news of the possibility of a radical transformation of human consciousness. In Hindu teachings (and sometimes in Buddhism also), this transformation is called enlightenment. In the teachings of Jesus, it is salvation, and in Buddhism, it is the end of suffering. Liberation and awakening are other terms used to describe this transformation. The greatest achievement of humanity is not its works of art, science, or technology, but the recognition of its own dysfunction, its own madness. In the distant past, this recognition already came to a few individuals. A man called Gautama Siddhartha, who lived 2,600 years ago in India, was perhaps the first who saw it with absolute clarity. Later the title Buddha was conferred upon him. Buddha means “the awakened one.” At abut the same time, another of humanity’s early awakened teachers emerged in China. His name was Lao Tzu. He left a record of his teaching in the form of one of the most profound spiritual books ever written, the Tao Te Ching. To recognize one’s own insanity, is of course, the arising of sanity, the beginning of healing and transcendence. A new dimension of consciousness had begun to emerge on the planet, a first tentative flowering. Those rare individuals then spoke to their contemporaries. They spoke of sin, of suffering, of delusion. They said, “Look how you live. See what you are doing, the suffering you create.” They then pointed to the possibility of awakening from the collective nightmare of “normal” human existence. They showed the way. The world was not yet ready for them, and yet they were a vital and necessary part of human awakening. Inevitably, they were mostly misunderstood by their contemporaries, as well as by subsequent generations. Their teachings, although both simple and powerful, became distorted and misinterpreted, in some cases even as they were recorded in writing by their disciples. Over the centuries, many things were added that had nothing to do with the original teachings, but were reflections of a fundamental misunderstanding. Some of the teachers were ridiculed, reviled, or killed; others came to be worshipped as gods. Teachings that pointed the way beyond the dysfunction o the human mind, the way out of the collective insanity, were distorted and became themselves part of the insanity. And so religions, to a large extent, became divisive rather than unifying forces. Instead of bringing about an ending of violence and hatred through a realization of the fundamental oneness of all life, they brought more violence and hatred, more divisions between people as well as between different religions and even withing the same religion. They became ideologies, belief systems people could identify with and so use them to enhance their false sense of self. Through them, they could make themselves “right” and others “wrong” and thus define their identity through their enemies, the “others,” the “nonbelievers” or “wrong believers” who not infrequently they saw themselves justified in killing. Man made “God” in his own image. The eternal, the infinite, and unnameable was reduced to a mental idol that you had to believe in and worship as “my god” or “our god.” And yet… and yet… in spite of all the insane deeds perpetrated in the name of religion, the Truth to which they point still shines at their core. It still shines, however dimly, through layers upon layers of distortion and misinterpretation. It is unlikely, however, that you will be able to perceive it there unless you have at least already had glimpse of that Truth within yourself. Throughout history, there have always been rare individuals who experienced a shift in consciousness and so realized within themselves that toward which all religions point. To describe that non*conceptual Truth, they then used the conceptual framework of their own religions. Through some of those men and women, “schools” or movements developed within all major religions that represented not only a rediscovery, but in some cases an intensification of the light of the original teaching. This is how Gnosticism and mysticism came into existence in early and medieval Christianity, Sufism in the Islamic religion, Hasidism and Kabbala in Judaism, Advaita Vedanta in Hinduism, Zen and Dzogchen in Buddhism. Most of these schools were iconoclastic. They did away with layers upon layers of deadening conceptualization and mental belief structures, and for this reason most of them were viewed with suspicion and often hostility by the established religious hierarchies. Unlike mainstream religion, their teachings emphasized realization and inner transformation. It is through those esoteric schools or movements that the major religions regained the transformative power of the original teachings, although in most cases, only a small minority of people had access to them. Their numbers were never large enough to have any significant impact on the deep collective unconsciousness of the majority. Over time, some of those schools themselves became too rigidly formalized or conceptualized to remain effective. SPIRITUALITY AND RELIGION What is the role of the established religions in the arising of the new consciousness? Many people are already aware of the difference between spirituality and religion. They realize that having a belief system* a set of thoughts that you regard as the absolute truth – does not make you spiritual no matter what the nature of those beliefs is. In fact, the more you make your thoughts (beliefs) into your identity, the more cut off you are from the spiritual dimension within yourself. Many “religious” people are stuck at that level. They equate truth with thought, and as they are completely identified with thought (their mind), they claim to be in sole possession of the truth in a n unconscious attempt to protect their identity. They don’t realize the limitations of thought. Unless you believe (think) exactly as they do, you are wrong in their eyes, and in the not*too*distant past, they would have felt justified in killing you for that. And some still do, even now. The new spirituality, the transformation of consciousness, is arising to a large extent outside of the structures of the existing institutionalized religions. There were always pockets of spirituality even in mind*dominated religions, although the institutionalized hierarchies felt threatened by them and often tried to suppress them. A large*scale opening of spirituality outside of the religious structures is an entirely new development. In the past, this would have been inconceivable, especially in the West, the most mind*dominated of all cultures, where the Christian church had a virtual franchise on spirituality. You couldn’t just stand up and give a spiritual talk or publish a spiritual book unless you were sanctioned by the church, and if you were not, they would quickly silence you. But now, even within certain churches and religions, there are signs of change. It is heartwarming, and one is grateful for even the slightest signs of openness, such as Pope John Paul II visiting a mosque as well as a synagogue. Partly as a result of the spiritual teachings that have arisen outside the established religions, but also due to an influx of the ancient Eastern wisdom teachings, a growing number of followers of traditional religions are able to let go of identification with form, dogma, and rigid belief systems and discover the original depth that is hidden within their own spiritual tradition at the same time as they discover the depth within themselves. They realize that how “spiritual” you are has nothing to do with what you believe but everything to do with your state of consciousness. This, in turn, determines how you act in the world and interact with others. Those unable to look beyond form become even more deeply entrenched in their beliefs, that is to say, in their mind. We are witnessing not only an unprecedented influx of consciousness at this time but also an entrenchment and intensification of the ego. Some religious institutions will be open to the new consciousness; others will harden their doctrinal positions and become part of all those other man*made structures through which the collective ego will defend itself and “fight back.” Some churches, sects, cults, or religious movements are basically collective egoic entities, as rigidly identified with their mental positions as the followers of any political ideology that is closed to any alternative interpretation of reality. But the ego is destined to dissolve, and all its ossified structures, whether they be religious or other institutions, corporations, or governments, will disintegrate from within, no matter how deeply entrenched they appear to be. The most rigid structures, the most impervious to change, will collapse first. This has already happened in the case of Soviet Communism. How deeply entrenched, how solid and monolithic it appeared, and yet within a few years, it disintegrated from within. No one foresaw this. All were taken by surprise. There are many more such surprises in store for us. THE URGENCY OF TRANSFORMATION When faced with a radical crisis, when the old way of being in the world, of interacting with each other and with the realm of nature doesn’t work anymore, when survival is threatened by seemingly insurmountable problems, an individual life*form – or a species – will either die or become extinct or rise above the limitations of its condition through an evolutionary leap. ... Responding to a radical crisis that threatens our very survival – this is humanity’s challenge now. The dysfunction of the egoic human mind, recognized already more than 2,500 years ago by the ancient wisdom teachers and now magnified through science and technology, is for the first time threatening the survival of the planet. Until very recently, the transformation of human consciousness – also pointed to by the ancient teachers – was no more than a possibility, realized by a few rare individuals here and there, irrespective of cultural or religious background. A widespread flowering of human consciousness did not happen because it was not yet imperative. A significant portion of the earth’s population will soon recognize, if they haven’t already done so, that humanity is now faced with a stark choice: Evolve or die. A still relatively small but rapidly growing percentage of humanity is already experiencing within themselves the breakup of the old egoic mind patterns and the emergence of a new dimension of consciousness. What is arising now is not a new belief system, a new religion, spiritual ideology, or mythology. We are coming to the end not only of mythologies but also of ideologies and belief systems. The change goes deeper than the content of your mind, deeper than your thoughts. In fact, at the heart of the new consciousness is the transcendence of thought, the newfound ability of rising above thought, of realizing a dimension within yourself that is infinitely more vast than thought. You then no longer derive your identity, your sense of who you are, from the incessant stream of thinking that in the old consciousness you take to be yourself. What a liberation to realize that the “voice in my head” is not who I am. Who am I then? The one who sees that. The awareness that is prior to thought, the space in which the thought – or the emotion or sense perception – happens. Ego is no more than this: identification with form, which primarily means thought forms. If evil has any reality – and it has a relative, not an absolute, reality – this is also its definition: complete identification with form – physical forms, thought forms, emotional forms. This results in a total unawareness of my connectedness with the whole, my intrinsic oneness with every “other” as well as with the Source. This forgetfulness is original sin, suffering, delusion. When this delusion of utter separateness underlies and governs whatever I think, say, and do, what kind of world do I create? To find the answer to this, observe how humans relate to each other, read a history book, or watch the news on television tonight. Eckhart Tolle https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:YqksHzZXWggJ:jodilley.com/ANE/ANE.pdf+eckhart+tolle+a+new+earth&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg0qL6EvdN_D2Jg0hprrVEeyk66npARd_bF0bsp9JCLhAPm1eexZgpNhxIGZxtCEigGSotlMcz3Url7P1nItBEgIDZYgKv0o0ADTwL9_jUbGszuQabNFKQ4jvkJJq53TWoT_4IG&sig=AHIEtbTsgju5jlQROqraEfjA65qp9rlpmA

It’s funny how this thread is so full of projections - posters with one position suddenly getting associated with hole stereotypes. Gun-nuts -> fearful to sleep without a gun -> hateful -> god fearing -> conservative -> it’s individuals’ fault -> not exactly intellectual -> cruel –> we haven’t evolved beyond weapons yet ->… etc etc Gun-haters -> liberal -> loving and fearless -> willing to die instead of fight –> it’s the culture’s fault -> intelligent -> compassionate -> we’ve evolved beyond weapons now ->… etc etc Examples of those who have gotten stereotyped by these projections: smmatrix MightyMouse these are isolated examples ( and btw, both of them took it and dished it too :rofl:) Other names withheld to protect the guilty

From http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/general-discussion/14875-arm-disarm-3.html#post168807 SUIYA, Re “being” a Nazi, etc. – please be careful of twisting my words My posts were challenging us to QUESTION, to CHALLENGE our constructs, etc. They were not adhominum attacks. I know you don’t think you would ‘be’ a nazi … who does? … but back then - and now – those swept in were just maintaining the quo, locally, in their own lives, etc. Going only from your posts, it doesn’t appear you have studied ‘systemantics’ – especially the evil, sociopathic side of it – to be as immune as you think you are... Have you questioned that waves and waves of perfectly reasonable ‘Normals’ like yourself are already deeper into ‘supporting’ by going along with another darkness than you think. Sorry I’m not making sense for you…. but it also appears you’re twisting my words and intent in multiple places… for example “that you are a hypocrite if you back the USA in drone killings but want to disarm your own society.......in order to stop killing. As for having an armed populace to stop other armed mentally ill people - who then protects us from the armed populace? The government.....or ourselves everytime I 'feel offended'” You twisted “hypocritical”. Let me twist it some more. Someone said “something rotten and infected in our culture”… Well, the annihilationof tiny kids ( mostly white and poor(not)) got us going as a hypnotized culture. The deaths of impoverished, black, etc. ‘criminal’ young tweens and teens who are a significant percentage of ‘routine’ urban crime on crime murders (adding up to far far more than 20 btw), does not get us going as a ‘culture’. The drone attacks in many foreign countries in undeclared wars– unless you accept that the ‘war on terror’ is a legitimate war (QUESTION QUESTION QUESTION) – on locals just living their lives do not get us going doesn’t get us going as a culture. Guest Post: Meet Brandon Bryant: The Drone Operator Who Quit After Killing A Child | ZeroHedge (or was it just a two legged dog?) Meanwihile, examples like both of those I gave plus other ‘non Sandy’ examples are making us more enemies and I daresay darkening our collective soul … what it takes to get us going can be seen as a “something rotten and infected in our culture” – yes, I'm bringing up what I see as a different “something rotten and infected in our culture” but nonetheless… QUESTION! And your “[guns] everytime I feel offended'” = more stretching, twisting… yet I’m the ‘unreasonable’ one - simply because I don’t think gun rights really have a dang significant thang to do with this type of tragic outcomes of ‘mental’ illness… and that all the politicals suddenly ‘crossing over and seeing the light’ about gun control is being used for less than honorable purposes… and anyone who gets sucked in has done just that – gotten sucked in … just like ‘good’ politicians in germany gradually (and / or suddenly) voted in nazism… As I just said to MM, The admininistration hopes the Bloombergs will multiply, the Bloombergs hope the Mark Warners will multiply. The Mark Warners hope you will multiply. … and it’s all based on obvious false jumps. you say “I dont think the average USA citizen has much to fear from its government compared to many other places in the world, and in fact has more to fear from the corporatisation that is occurring” Good connection. You can keep it right there where they want you or you can QUESTION deeper. You can go on not thinking you have much to fear if you like or you can QUESTION…The ‘corporation’ has owned this ‘government’ for a long, long time now… You’re probably so offended now that you won’t QUESTION anything… but maybe someone will. Let’s test it. Can you QUESTION this? – “Legality, at its base, always in some way, transfers responsibility.” zdo

http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/general-discussion/14875-arm-disarm-7.html#post168889 Right there are the logical jumps that won’t make it across the chasm, peeps. An armed nation does not cause “another class of first graders [to] get annihilated”. A disarmed nation will not prevent or even change the odds of “another class of first graders get[ting] annihilated”. We have to accept the possibility of another annihilation period. The legal availability of guns has nothing to do with it. Hacking could rise again as a psychotic ‘fad’. It really never left. Those who talk about how “times” and weaponery, etc. have changed are out of touch with/ ignorant about how our biology has not changed. Whether a gun is legal or not is not connected in any way with whether or not it will be procured or made available to an insane person. Whether a gun is legal or not is not connected in any way with whether or not it will be used in an “annihilation”. See all the false jumps? It is a false connection and to attempt to deny law abiding sheeple the right to defend themselves adequately against any and all attackers, be they goons from a runaway government or goons from the criminal society. Banning or even restricting will not help one bit – except to temporarily soothe those who got swept up in the hysteric hypnosis. People who live under the spell of a sociopath, and accompanying sociopathic culture, almost never realize it until after the spell has been broken. The Bloombergs hope the Mark Warners will multiply. The Mark Warners hope you will multiply. … and it’s all based on flawed jumps... with less than honorable intentions. “If banning guns would prevent another Sandyhook elementary school shooting, would preventing that from happening again be enough of a trade off for you to give up your weapons?” MM, someday maybe you’ll see the flawed jumps you made.

Re: “it’s difficult to begin to explain the terror and feeling of loss… ” Thank you for sharing. I can empathize some with the close proximity of it. My best friend was killed in a hunting accident when he was 5 years old… we were born 5 days apart… the adults didn’t help me resolve it very well… needless to say, I don’t exactly ‘relish’ guns and shooting… even though I’m a primitive "fearful gun nut" to most of ya’ll. To tell you the truth, I had never quite gotten over Columbine. For whatever reasons , Virginia Tech impacted me to a lesser degree – but still also went deep. What went down at Sandy Hook is inconceivable and senseless. The thought of precious, innocent little five years olds getting blown away is just horrible, senseless insanity on a mission. In my view, the mother’s role is rising into prominence – not just by irresponsibly allowing a ‘DSM labeled’ person easy access to the weapons - but beyond that, her lifelong approach to him and family, failure to make sure he was in full professional care when apparently she had the means, etc... points to her dynamics and part in it. But, none of this or anything else we could say or think moves this event away from totally senseless though. We can discuss causes, preventions, ‘solutions’, politicizing, etc. later… when less reactive… Thoughts and 'prayers' with the mothers and fathers and siblings of those kids... zdo

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Do you know how many laws are on the books? Even murder is illegal. Really, will more laws solve a dam thang? Stats: some ‘traders’ demand stats to help them avoid emotions and stay 'objective' so toward those ends, here's some lies, damned lies, and statistics…:rofl: Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome, And Some US Gun Facts | ZeroHedge

SUIYA, Sensible logic isn’t high on my list here bub. I don’t watch network news, but my wife had it on and I walked by, saw and heard things, and questioned the agendas – did you? These posts are to counter the mass hypnotism that goes on and on … Sensible logic isn’t really high on their list either… even though they are very polished at making it seem that way. ... … just like the “wars” on poverty, drugs, and terrorism… a “war” on mass killings will not stop them, yet it will be costly to individual liberty and pocketbooks/freedom. Here’s how to interpret me correctly ---- beware of false flags, official pronouncements of causations and cures, of sentimentally / emotionally anchored mass hypnosis… in reality the time for ‘mass shootings’ will come and then suddenly it will be gone and no laws or controls will change that … or “stop killings”... If you see that I am questioning, not necessarily getting all polaritied out on 'gun rights' etc then you may be interpreting me correctly... please add fuel to that fire. More accurately “the right to bear arms gun crowd” correctly realizes that more laws, more control will not stop sickened sickos … this guy (and all his recent predecessors going back circa Columbine, etc) broke multiple ‘gun’ laws before and during their “acting out “ (sensitivity phrasing)… more laws would not have deterred them one bit and in the meantime the rights of innocents are eroded for less than honorable reasons. Anti- gun logic is not very sound either… it is IMFUCKINGPOSSIBLE to keep arms out of the hands of those bound for “mental illness”. Yet we are getting readied to accept that as a "soulution" Each situation is unique and in my view, “return fire” , (while admittedly, my fellow collectivist lovers, it is not a solution meted out by the system, shit - nwhile it is not a solution at all, statistically,) still not be legally precluded as a situational ‘solution’… Learn more: Why the government and mainstream media celebrate mass school shootings (and secretly want them to continue) ... "in order to keep telling untruths" is such a minor part of the agendas of dark psychopathic leadership and the minions who are fascinated, attracted, and clusterfkd into supporting it. SUIYA, you are not a creator of collective maya at this point. But you need to question within – Are you a consumer of collective maya? The stupid founders of this stupid country were very suspicious of government and were quite in favor of tearing them down when they don’t work anymore. Btw, readers, if you think the present ‘worldwide’ democracy “best system” is working …ie that we should be trusting government … then, bluntly, I believe you would have also fallen for Stalin, or Hitler, or ________ …and, btw, It doesn't matter if you come from a 'culture' of hatred or a 'culture' of love ... the separations, the illusions, and the potential dark violent reactions - individually and collectively - all ride around right inside each of us - including you DB... even though you are wise, understanding, and (self ) righteous... SUIYA, you are still at liberty to remain neutral … but for how much longer? Some stupid ole dead fake commie once said "Sometimes nothing happens for a decade. Sometimes a whole decade happens in a week"

Lanza, Bloomberg, Obama, guns, psychiatric meds, and mass hypnosis in Newtown, Connecticut - BlackListedNews.com ( How to Spot a Hypocrite in the Gun Debate and Other Reflections on Newtown | A Lightning War for Liberty http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/more-than-2000-children-are-murdered-in-the-united-states-every-single-day http://alt-market.com/articles/1218-the-federal-government-is-guilty-accomplice-in-school-shooting ) Ingot, glad you brought this up yet ?

Guest Post: Gun Control? No, Drone Control. | ZeroHedge gohmert is dummer than gomer... let's associate his ramblings with everyone who supports the 2nd amendment in any way approaching literally ... while we're at it... let's associate all preppers with the goobers and nutcases on National Geographic prepper show that's one way to roll... did you get sucked in ?

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