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ya'll come do a walk about in these places Large Cities All Over America Are Degenerating Into Gang-Infested War Zones - BlackListedNews.com //// a few posters have started making connections between gun control and good trading. Let me make a couple of them - real simple and basic. Guns are like stop loss orders. 'Suggested' - but not necessary at all...:rofl: In each situation, some stop loss orders are better than others. In each situation, some guns are better than others. A trader should not be limited by his own lack of sophistication, or by his broker, or legally in the situation appropriateness of the stop losses he can apply. A gun owner should not be limited by his own beliefs, or his gun dealers, or legally in the situation appropriateness of the fire power he can apply.

well duh while we're fantasizing... lately, I'm thinking a 'society' without addictions would even be a nicer society to live in than one without efficient lethal weapons.

SunTrader, not sure exactly what your points are lately. For example, …almost every act a human can do is easier said than done… one breath, probably ‘easier done than said’… two breaths – already over the threshold and is easier said than done… and btw, warrior is not something that is ‘said’ anyway… it is something done from within. Words get in the way of real warrior. ... and...Few are or should be ‘full time’warriors… but everyone – even the weakest among us - should be in touch with that side of themselves… for their own wholeness and safety, etc. so - to modernize the phrase for us traders --- “Better to be a warrior sitting in front of a trading screen than a trader in the war.” ... the points of your other recent 'truisms' and 'quips' - just as smoggy... just saying ... :helloooo: :haha: ...anytime you're making less sense than me, it's time to ...

SIUYA, I can certainly relate to those sentiments and outcomes. Maybe I do too many thoughts about Japan. Do you all think this "dont have many thoughts on Japan" (for such 'reasons' like "it never came", "non starter", etc.) is pretty common? ...that Japan was 'canned' long ago? etc? fwiw Planning to hold EURJPY and USDJPY longs bias until ~ 3/29/13 ... but, these trades need some grounding in 'reality' ...maybe jpn ministry of finance will meltdown a trillion yen coin or something

Folks – on both sides of this argument - we really need to get away from citing statistics. When dealing with human culture and society, statistics are tools for lying - mostly about causation. … even Snopes tells the ‘truth’ to build and maintain credibility, then when it suits them to lie, they twist stats with the best of them… … etc…

SUIYA, Thanks for the post and link. I take full responsibility for sliding my own topic off topic to KeynesiaLand. Getting back on topic. My real questioning is about JPY (and jpn) Are my ???s ultimately about rates? … along with my own traditional JPY ‘go nowhere fast’ trades, I’ve also made a bunch of ‘went nowhere fast’ trades "chasing rates" in the last few years… each time there was a tinge of this time it will be different somewhere in my brains… last week, wired money to almost quadruple my treasury futures trading account in prep. for … Thoughts? Thx. zdo Related reading KeynesianLand: charles hugh smith-Spoiled Teenager Syndrome JPY/jpn: Japan's Central Bank Is Pressed to Boost Money Supply - Businessweek Stocks to soar as world money catches fire, Calvinst Europe left behind - Telegraph

re: charles hugh smith-The Dangerous Blindspots of Clueless Keynesians

I have been bearish on JPY since 1989… inexplicably … If I remember it correctly( and I don’t ), the bias ‘formed’ in contrariness … I do remember skimming a publication titled The Japan That Can Say No… I don’t think such docs ‘caused’ my bias though ...I have ‘blogged’ some about it long ago on TL http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/traders-log/7706-v-dow-spread-5.html#post104057 And before… … don’t worry – it’s just a (painful) bias:rofl:… thankfully, in trades, I have been able to override that stupid bias many times in the past and … across time, PM and other fx positions(like a long string of many short EUR’s, etc) have far more than offset the series of stopouts and breakevens and, (the thankfully, low quantity of ) serious losing short JPYtrades . ... avg price this long USDJPY trade is sub 80… been building the position since mid 2011... … fast forward to the present (:haha: via the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time ) The open profits are great - but something ain’t right...something ain’t quite right beyond subjectively not deriving much 'pleasure' from the trade even when the 'bias' is paying off... Some thoughts from others unlimited printing = Abe’s plan. Ben has a serious head start. “So far the entire sell-off in the yen is based on nothing but perceptions – the idea that this time, they really mean it!” “The quadrillionYen question remains – when does the bond market break it’s zero bound shackles?” “sympathies are with the Japanese pensioners and their middle class destined to penury as a consequence of neo-keynesianism and money printing run amock.” Wtf is penury? Does it mean they won’t be able to afford adult diapers, etc? Are junky/small EU members the new ‘carry trade’? Etc. :missy: thanks for Your thoughts?

MM said "Not everyone has the guts to shoot someone even in self defense. Don't kid yourself just because you think you can. " It's important here to add Don't kid yourself just because you think you can't. . The whole point of To Arm (instead of to Disarm) is to keep your choices available... instead of previously giving your options up in fear anticipating the conflict of such a moment, or fear that you might hurt an innocent in the process, or cause something worse than what would have happened had the perp just been allowed to complete his or her deeds (...or that a drug addict might steal your gun and do bad things with it, or that it's a police matter... and the ongoing rapidly deteriorating list of why's to Disarm...)... Distasteful YES but I'm advising all us to take the responsibility to be prepared... To Arm... and yes - to arm in the face of not knowing before or during what you might be capable of doing when and if such a moment arises. etc. “Better to be a warrior in the garden, than a gardener in the war”

Col B Well put. Great post ... For the 'survey' I own guns and plenty of ammo. Legally purchased + I maintain a concealed carry permit AND fortunately, I also did sufficient 'unregistered' purchases long ago. I practice with them and maintain them about twice a year. I don't like or enjoy them.

“As long as the right has more guns, the left should oppose guns. …Only when the left has more guns, should they… ” Saul Alinsky ... and his example “They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot. When we have the guns then it will be through the bullet…” Lenin Beware the crap in this link. … because the author looks half white – double the dishonesty etc. Gun Control’s Racist Origins | Online Library of Law and Liberty _______________ All statistically based ‘science’ / ‘truth’ is biased by the individual scientist. Hold it all suspect. The only sure role is the one of the skeptic.

As our bodies (and time itself) clear the emotional peptides about the massmurdersuicide, we get more and more discussion and ‘concerns’ showing up about ‘preventing’ murders in general…and theft, etc… and ‘understanding’ the underlying social issues involved… and how ‘vanishing’ the weapons would fix that… Ie our collective wisdom is showing through now [snik]. I’d like to be more nice about it db, but… that post is ‘collectivist’ drivel. ….in my years relating to those who spout this kind of stuff – those who hate hate the most, hate the most … ironic ain’t it. POVERTY in the US has a 60 inch flat screen, ebt cards, iPhone or at least a smartphone… currently, however unsustainable… Doug Casey. Two equally valid and stupid sentences: Poverty doesn’t cause murders. Murder doesn’t cause poverty. RASCISM. I’m one of those with an armed and alarmed home. But guess what? The first home invasion imago I get is a white frkn psychopath – not a black dude. I think you are projecting. ME Over 50% of my income is now transferred to others… and the gubmnt has made promises to the mob democracy in that “safety net” that CAN NEVER BE KEPT.* CHSmith I personally think ME could allocate most of those funds more wisely… even more compassionately… with less killing too. I’d also bet you have a limit where you say “enough! This isn’t “fair” to ME anymore. What about ME and mine? ” … and when you do get your ME back, db, guess what … it won’t make it any easier to (as the hypocrite Michael Moore says it) “kill one another.” three extenuating factors ... maybe... but maybe not. certainly no reasons to disarm the peeps jmo

To Arm or to Disarm... that is the question. Massmurdersuicides is why we is discusn it. Be careful... A fringe opinion… at least at the moment … Feinstein's Gun Control Bill Will Trigger The Next American Revolution

FakeBook (where can I buy some of that stock? :helloooo:) Facebook bans Gandhi quote as part of revisionist history purge

The compiler admits this is not a comprehensive or even representative list of economic ‘crises’ ‘collapses’, etc. It is a list of more obscure crises that were “interesting” to him at the time… Note how localized most of these were… to date, at least... We are now living through the first genuine fully globalized debt and fake money crisis … 10 Fascinating Economic Collapses Through History - Listverse

The Real Crisis: "People Have Lost Trust In The Government And The Market" | ZeroHedge I noted this because it reminded me of something my old EW teacher told me way back in the late nineties… while he was (very accurately, btw) projecting the decade + ‘correction’ that started ~ 2000 . He termed it something like “the stock markets will all be institutional by the end of it, the public will be out…”. I didn’t understand… (:haha:still don’t really ) … but Good EW work = quality socionomics work.

Here you go... pages of more well crafted lies, damn lies, and statistics... http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Globa_study_on_homicide_2011_web.pdf ( Ingot, I’ll see your statistics and raise you these ) Since everyone is lying with their dam stats... let’s randomize the propaganda a little bit 50 Random Facts About Guns, Gun Control and Gun Violence Articles: Murder by Numbers

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Yep, guys, guilty as charged - “trashing everyone” The points I so inadequately made in my reply to MM’s post were 1) that two guys scenario is just too simple, too much of single variable solution, to be of any real use. ie MM, I didn’t give you a straight answer to your scenario…. Mostly because there are two answers. One is the answer we all wish would work. The other is the one that would really be implemented circa the “heated arguments” 2) More importantly, the scenario is irretrievably complicated beyond being of practical value by the fact that in these mass murder/suicide cases, the “heated argument has already ensued” for the perpetrators long before the ‘meetings’ begin. An example: for Anders Breivik, the “heated argument had already ensued” for a decade… Laws have different meanings for these ‘brain disordered’ souls than they do for normals. Anders Breivik is also a pretty typical sample of the persistence, the ‘by any means’, in obtaining weapons and ammo. It didn’t matter to him if the guns were legal or illegal – so long as the procurement process didn’t tip off his intentions to law enforcement. . (and btw, access to guns there was just about as restrictive as the big apple gun-grabbers want it to be here – and that didn’t prevent ‘nuthin’) Murderers, and in this case mass murderer suicides, are statistically clustered in the mid teens to approx age 35. (24% of murders in the US are committed by 18 to 20 year olds, etc etc.) Delayed / disrupted development of THE PREFRONTAL CORTEX is involved in this clustering of course but that is only a small part of it. The whole brains are involved. Emotional/limbic/amygdala, etc ‘centers’ are always involved. Self prescribed pain ‘management’ is always involved. Plus - anthropologically, some of the stats Ingot posted about murder rates indicate the US population may even have more genetic markers for murderous disorders than do other regions. Doubtful, but still maybe a factor... nature + nurture, genetics + environment... Yes, what Ingot labeled "national psyche", with what has been called a ‘wild west’ culture by some, a culture of hate and fear by others, a culture where life itself is losing value on the edges – the bias, my friends, is not exactly pro-life anymore… yes, that is involved, but it is not cause for mass murder suicides… and is an argument for arming as much as it is for disarming individuals. Resources sent to identifying brain disorders, biochemical imbalances, the mentally disturbed would be much more appropriate and effective in getting at cause than sending the resources and energy to yet more bureaucracies for making the ‘tools’ unavailable to nutcases via making them unavailable to everyone... especially when those tools are already out ‘there’ in volume and can now be printed up from scratch. Anatomical, structural, hormonal , and functional anomaly outliers are easier to ‘see’ than ever. If we as a culture really cared, (which we don’t imo, because we don’t even consider working with this kind of thing until a horrible tragedy evokes the fkn emotional hell out of us) – anyways if we really cared, we would learn to locally intervene as families, neighbors, and communities in the brain disorders. And yes it would involve keeping dangerous objects out of the hands of these brain disordered cases… and no! it would not involve knee jerk trying to keep dangerous objects out of the hands of everyone. The gun-owners I know are simply not that stupified and irresponsible... Govt run wars on guns, alcohol, drugs, etc. never "might help" enough to alter the rates of the disturbances underlying personal misuse of the perpetrators/abusers ‘fixes’. Yes, govt systemic intervention might ‘prevent’ a small sample from ever occurring ( which I suspect is all the 'please do something for us mob' wants)... but it is also just as likely to trigger the manifestation of more incidents that would not have occurred sans gov’t solutions. If it makes you feel better, which apparently it does for a whole bunch of you, then go ahead and “make it simple”... just to be sure though, you can never say that no one told you that “make it simple” won’t work. Trashed yet?

That was not simple enough for me…. Why not? Because A heated argument ensues. ! Both the gun nuts and gun grabbers tend to neglect that part. You just did. When “a heated argument ensues”, “the bias in favor of life” goes poof. Whether ‘chronic’ or ‘episodic’ , the brain governs violent behavior. Research shows that ‘defects’ in the hippocampus can cause rage, "as if you poured gasoline on a fire-and it went whoosh!" states Benson E. Ginsburg, a geneticist. "200,000 potential presidential assassins live in the United States alone. ...Many manage their delusions on the fantasy level. Others engage in other forms of violent behavior." David Hamburg, who headed the psychiatry department at Stanford University Medical School, "Hoping to rehabilitate such a violent individual through psychotherapy or education, or to improve his character by sending him to jail or by giving him love and understanding, [or taking away his tools/guns, - brackets mine] - all these methods are irrelevant and will not work. It is the brains malfunction itself that must be dealt with, and only if this fact is recognized is there any chance of changing behavior." Violence and the Brain Vernon Mark and Frank Ervin Abnormal chemicals in the brain fuel violence Many people with chronic and episodic behavior disorders have abnormal toxic mineral levels in their blood. These imbalances can easily be diagnosed via tests of blood and urine. Parents, educators and mental health providers need to become aware of the nutritional research, some of it decades old, that can TREAT these individuals, many of whom are currently on pharmaceutical medications that only mollify them up to a certain point then diabolically trigger and exacerbate their delusions, suicidal tendencies and impulses to violence. Unstable brain chemistry is the cause of "heated argument ensues". Unstable brain chemistry is likely more of a factor with what snapped with the Newtown, Conn. shooter than was who "brought a gun". The ability to commit antisocial behavior and violence against people is not a choice for people with altered brain chemistry. The brain is altered and nothing short of fixing the individual biochemical and activity outliers will start to get at our 'violence' and 'homocide' issues. So, statistically, the idiots who showed up to your "heated argument" without tools, ie without a gun, are ultimately the losers. Reams more of legislated morality won’t move that simplicity one bit. I truly wish the people of the world were ready… christbodhi enough … to be sufficiently non violent and to ‘disarm’. They ain’t! Not at an individual level AND EVEN LESS SO AT A GOVERNMENTAL LEVEL !!!!!!!!! ... so you cain’t making it simple enough The ‘grown-up’ arguments presented herein this thread are basically Read more: I'm Just Not Ready To Accept That We Have To Have Mass Shootings All The Time - Business Insider I personally am not your typical gun nut. ... and using the best scene survey and situational awareness I could muster, I seriously re-considered the ‘might help’ part of this argument… really hoping… but it did not make the threshold for me… "might help" is not enough to ban any guns. Simply - the root of the problem is not well understood. When the root of a complex problem is not well understood, sudden, 'obvious' solutions that ‘dispense’ safety via legislation, actually any solutions implemented, almost never really even help at all, tend to hurt as much as they help, and are never real solutions… Even before any legislation, the 'solution' with just the threat of losing the freedom is leading to unintended consequences. Gun Owners Freak Out After Newspaper Publishes Their Names And Addresses - Business Insider Let’s publish these maps nationwide… it’s a great idea (o snik)… would pro-gun folk ever purchase their arms ‘legally’ again? Click here to get your fkn buttons pushed… the author does his best to “make it simple” A warning to gun grabbers and collectivist media: By calling for gun control, you are unleashing your own worst nightmare Gun myths exposed: Assault rifles, full-auto, buying guns online and more - YouTube "He who does not move does not notice his chains." Rosa Luxemberg Ron Paul: Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence - BlackListedNews.com Again, I wish the people of the world were ready… christbodhi enough … to be sufficiently non violent and to ‘disarm’. They ain’t. ... and you cain’t making it simple enough. I understand your "bias", but from your posts, I think you have not had enough sustained exposure to life threatening violence and also enough exposure to crazies and craziness to really understand these issues.

Just skimmed through some of the posts since I was last in the office... Dang, it’s amazing how some of us can dismiss, twist, and smash the ‘stupid’ statistics and correlations of one poster so soundly, then turn right around and post statistics that are even more worthless... statistics that could be turned against their own position so easily, and then show even more stupidity by making even worse causal connections than did the poster they just so artfully ‘slammed’ – and btw, this observation applies to posters on ‘both’ sides of this emotional, not rational, argument … and we’re talking pages and pages of it.

What my posts have been warning about in this thread is the (understandable) emotional triggers from this tragedy that have gotten a huge mob activated. And, in typical fashion the impulse with mobs is to do something, anything, (via ‘legislation’ these days since we are so modern and civilized) to help emotional recovery. Prevent ‘it’, control ‘it’ in the future, - just do something! Normally reasonable folk get sucked up in the collective emotional vortex and fall for the false logic that boy if we could just outlaw those bad assault rifles, etc. this wouldn’t happen again, or at least as often. Or if they don't get sucked in, they don't resist with calmer minds- because of all the pain that needs 'do something' Even the “conservative”, family, NRA, etc. guys among us are tempted to get on board. Some of them emotionally jumped on board immediately. But in reality, the ‘bad guns’ would have remained a non- issue but for the overwhelming emotions stirred by the tragedy… Reason would never elicit such a response. Only raw, painful emotions… So now, they’ll do something via ‘legislation’ that in reality only temporarily gives minds some relief. But realistically… legally, nothing truly effective will really be done or can be done … except to engender future (hopefully) unintended consequences… Attempting to legally making the ‘bad guns’ less available is not a truly functional solution to mass murder/suicides. It only gives the mob a superficial emotional purification. Beyond gun availability laws we'll see other ‘solutions’ being thrown out. It ='s More please just do something! ... Like arming educators, etc… but, the teachers aren’t qualified to carry guns… heck only a few of them are truly qualified to be teachers. So don’t be surprised if homeland security goons are sent to the schools… too bad they aren’t qualified either … etc. If you’ve fallen for just do something! , please think again. Separate from the mob. They are being used! If you are tempted, please think again. Again, our thoughts and prayers are with the families and schoolmates of those killed who must now live the holidays and beyond without them Further reading... Gun Control and The Dark Corners of the Internet | Justin O'Connell | Safehaven.com http://www.naturalnews.com/038423_psychiatric_drugs_insanity_mass_murder.html

i told you so Gun Grabbers Call For Re-Education Programs In Public Schools btw... what's a gun zealot? how is that different from a gun nut ? zdo

SoulTrader was the Founder of TL Then MadMarketScientist was the Founder of TL Now TLAdmin is the Founder of TL I thought you were MMS and you just changed your name off Mad... to help the brand. I was Wrong. Turns out you are the new and different Founder of TL

The recent posts in this thread have been about “not placing a protective stop” – which is (retail) ‘codespeak’ for not taking your losses. So, ColB It’s not really “neither”. ie It’s not about knowledge or understanding – because a huge % of the retail traders who don’t place “a protective stop” (which is (retail) ‘code’ for not taking your losses) in each situation fully cognitively know and understand they should and could but literally CAN”T… with them, no amount of ‘discipline’ will consistently overcome the pattern. =~ 'mental' issues with natural biases... not just discipline issues... The only way your post is on topic is something you didn’t quite say – ‘professionals’ don’t statistically have the same issues with taking their losses as do ‘retail’ traders. Instead of most folks "disagreeing", hopefully they would just see you missed the point and veered off topic. Hope this raises your knowledge and understanding even more. :razz: zdo ... pushing lies :rofl: