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Be very careful what you are saying … :haha: If I go to a psychiatrist, he will most likely prescribe one of the meds which trigger violent and suicidal ideation in a percentage of the patients who take it … plus I already have guns – legal and illegal…( that I currently hope I don't need... but have the god given right to if I do need them... ) but under the influence of those drugs... like a large group of the triggering lanza of the last two decades have been... You better steer it back to taking guns bud… you’re getting dangerously ::n(lanza)topic: We don’t want to push to quickly while you’re working through your PTSD

I agree.... but Neither field is level... and the issue I'm having is that some of us are trying to portray the 'slopes' of the FX field to be MUCH steeper than the fairer 'slopes' of the Futures field. That's really not the case. The FX field is generally slightly steeper for the whole population. But, for individual traders (because of ALL the differences in stuff between and below the ears, etc etc. etc.) FX may actually present less "unfairness" [snic]. Also, any very small beginning trader (who is not specializing on volume and order flow 'stuff') who commits to trying out for this game would be much better off starting with an OAND@ account instead of a barely one day margin futures account - which is way too small... ie how much capital you can allocate (and risk, etc). and then what you do with it are MUCH BIGGER field levelers than which exchange or instrument or whatever one is using.

MM, think and peel back some layers in those stats, (unlike StunGun who can only muster derisive ) Most gun murders are from perp on perp, or repeat offender on family (hurt to death that one last time), or... etc. – and both parties are likely to ‘own’ the guns… big stat warper – you’re conveniently lumping the normals in where they don’t belong. Those with degrees in lying via statistics have a word for this... Big whoop. Lies, dam lies, and statistics You are 2.7 times more likely to die financially if you have a leveraged trading account than if you don't have a leveraged trading account. Oddly, your security comes at a cost; an increased chance of financial death. Yet here we all are .... ~80,000 up here on TL, etc etc ... dangerous accts freaking everywhere...all over the world...all lumped together... Let's co-track your logic. If those "leveraged trading accounts " cause all those financial deaths - and not the account holders - what we need to do is legally reduce the number of these lethal leveraged trading accounts and there will certainly be fewer financial deaths ... lies, dam lies, and statistics have a use. Truth is not part of it. It's sad to see a 'wounded rescuer' like you sink to ... Hell yeh it’s probably a lie. Maybe it’s a dam lie. Possibly, it’s even a statistic. Whack the fk away at it all you want… I couldn’t care less... bcse Personally, I’m good as long as the ‘real’ stat is remains greaterthan/or/equal to “Every year, guns are used over 1.618x more often to protect a life than to take one! ” … weethart, you got some serious statistical “analysis”/disparaging to do to move this stat from 80x to below 1.618x ;}

sbfx, good post. I am a futures trader... but re: yes. another example - I happened across an 'indicator' that correlates + at 90% + with real volume ... and it has not a fkn thing to do with volume... plus,as you mentioned in one of the other #s, since FX and futures directionally track so well at tick level, one can use futures feed and trade FX if needed an additional point for some to consider... if you may potentially be holding a contract for months, FX is definitely superior cost wise to near month futures ...no rollover costs ...and is often even better than far out futures... bcse no 'far out' illiquidity slips if you do need to exit early. another point - it is possible to more than cover all your FX sprd expenses with interest income. example: I use cycles work to progressively build/scale up short positions in USD/INR ... size of each transaction geometrically larger than previous one... Long TRY/JPY works almost as well... and also has low corre. with the USD/INR Forget about it... ie your deposits are NOT safe period ie your money is no safer at an FCM than it is with an FX house Bottom line - Each trader should find and use the best instruments for his or her own needs - methods, sizing, holding periods, costs, etc AND each trader should study this area enough to be able to avail himself of any benefits of each type of instrument across all 'exchanges' if needed all the best, zdo

MM, you’re the only to Disarm poster in here who thinks. All the rest of the gun grabbers are just minions parroting the memes, or are just going ad hominem, etc. etc. You think about how to leverage your statistics and how to discredit any other statistics. You think about ways to infer from your lies, dam lies, and statistics how many males we might save and what we might achieve if, essentially, we somehow had “fewer” guns. You think about how to take our weapons without appearing to take our weapons… attempting to snuff our rights to self defense parity while denying it etc. ( :helloooo: ...and even though you 'think' - we even have to consider that you want to take our weapons... but you don't believe you want to take our weapons. whoa! what ?) …You have said how wonderful “one less gun ”might be many, many times over... But one more gun might make a difference. Every year, guns are used over 80x more often to protect a life than to take one!

Yes we must protect our males. They are the very core reason of this whole thread – even though it was ‘suddenly’ set off by a madman who killed children … omg. and…it’s ironic that in your community you still walk around with “no fear”… your own words. We might suspect that you’re so mighty you carry a cop around with you to respond to any threats … who needs a gun when you can carry a cop? Oh - you can’t carry a cop ?! sht boy, if we can’t control them guns everywhere, your ass is homicided grass. “…in prison than not in prison.” Still working these ungrounded, unrealistic ‘cabin’ theories to explain things? Sounds like you're pulling another sneaky “guns cause criminals” … or one of your other dreamlike causes for the murders. Quickly now! Deny it.

In the running… “Sir, you can see it!? Show us. I still don’t see what’s left of my grandparents’ America - even through this magnifying glass” “Little girl, I need you to loan me another trillion.” “But, mr. presmident, we don’t want to be your human shield anymore!”

Larry1234, As early in the thread as possible Could you explain just a little bit more about how you are defining and using: Fundamental Valuation Relative valuation Discounted Cash Flow valuation Intrinsic value Thanks.

mous, That's not very good job of refuting what was admitted to be "lies, dam lies, and statistics"... For one, I'm wasn't "pressed" at all to make points about UK US comparisons. No attempts were even made to "split hairs" or get into those ever crucial "reporting periods", etc. Again, you missed the point or you are twisting. But I was easy "pressed" to point out a couple lies, dam lies, and statistics the talking heads are tasked to disseminate... Again, you missed the point or you are twisting. Also, smoking really does not cause cancer. Just another meme that you don't understand... and haven't really chosen to explore beyond what 'they' told you... Yes, all is well in the UK After all, guns were legally banned. Weapons threat on the rise in UK schools oh wait, near the end of the vid they played the script about how the politicians are getting “ready to sit up and take notice”, so this ‘problem’ should be completely a thing of the past by next semester…

Need to take a break? Talk politics, business, entertainment, etc... Anything goes! Articles: Weighing the Gun Control Argument

I am way behind in trotting out ( :haha: harmonizing ) examples of specific incidents (counterparts to the examples of the occasional “dummies with guns” examples that categorically prove that no one should be allowed to choose to be armed, etc … ) this following valuable example proves the point that if belgium* had fewer guns (maybe just one fewer gun! ) that this event would have never happened. Armed robbers snatch $50m in uncut diamonds from Brussels airport - Telegraph * Guns in Belgium: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law

Then would it be accurate to say that he has the same bosses as the US's Ben B ? Thanks.

"This is a victory for the U.S. Constitution - NOT the NRA" Damn Yankee since forming a 'commission' or a 'committee' won't work or doing research won't work let's just continue on throwing out the occasional 'example' case... and of course...the lies, dam lies, and statistics ... like - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9efqhGBHZI]Ben Swann REALITY CHECK for Piers Morgan Gun Stats - YouTube[/ame]

Vinayak, In your view, what’s he 'fixing'? Which one(s)? European economy? 'Incrementing' the EU ? The EUR? 'Perceptions' ? ________? Thanks. M.A., Which countries are not part of crisis ? Thanks

dark dank dusty cobwebby old thread dark dank dusty cobwebby old thread haven't posted the trades ( on mostly the silver side) in a long time... imo, for something like this, if I don't post every single trade in a very timely fashion - best not to post any at all ... nonetheless ... cleaning up and catching up in one line - this long running campaign is setting up for some heavier allocations. incrementing short entry stops up under Dow side ... ... see SI side falling off the ledge more ? (I've been looking at ~ 24 area for a couple of years now... just looking )

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Read at your own risk SunTwister, re "math" dang you're right. 2013 - 1625 does = 200 + while we'd hope this "trend" does go on 'forever', some of us would also have to be realistic and see the possibility that it might gradually, or even suddenly, reverse... and some of us would also have to be realistic and see the possibility that its continuation or reversal might not be caused by guns at all - like you and the completely in the tank to Disarm media 'corporations' try to keep telling us to believe... SunNoPoint The random Jackson Browne quote from a libber with a history of domestic abuse was not one of the points at all... The two points were made before the quote... you missed them (again). sht, bud, I'd put my record of 'making' points up against your record of 'missing' them anyday. :rofl: Just for you, I'll make another one - in bold this time . You're either 'twisting' points or you are 'missing' points Example: when I added more to the very incomplete list of multiple variables (that all far outshine gun control as factors, btw) that contributed to the cultural changes in NYC you reply with "So now it is .... well violent crime is down but white collar crime isn't." as if I'm making an exclusive, one item assertion about "crime" or causation. For what? You're either 'twisting' points or you are 'missing' points __________________ "Don't seek truth. ..."

"50 shades of grey" is already when I "deliberately " don't edit for spelling, readability, sentence run on's and on's and on's... I don't have time. Often makes for difficult reading. If it ain't worth it to you... push the bignore button and SunGun continually reminds us of how senseless my writing is... he's welcome to edit it for readabilty... for the forums' sake He has also pointed out that I can’t make a point… yet I just made four Here's two more . Fish are becoming easier to catch 'because traces of anti-depressants are getting into water supply and making them more relaxed' | Mail Online "Doctor, my eyes have seen the years And the slow parade of fears without crying Now I want to understand I have done all that I could To see the evil and the good without hiding You must help me if you can Doctor, my eyes Tell me what is wrong Was I unwise to leave them open for so long 'Cause I have wandered through this world And as each moment has unfurled I've been waiting to awaken from these dreams People go just where there will I never noticed them until I got this feeling That it's later than it seems Doctor, my eyes Tell me what you see I hear their cries Just say if it's too late for me Doctor, my eyes Cannot see the sky Is this the prize for having learned how not to cry " Jackson Browne whoops maybe not 'forever' Retail Apocalypse: Why Are Major Retail Chains All Over America Collapsing? :haha: good to know that at least SunGun's 50 year low is forever ... :spam: warning Self-inflicted psy-ops: Are you a victim of your own 'false flag' operation? __________________ "Don't seek truth. ..."

( thankfully ) here and there, others are starting to catch on Dems Sponsor Bill To Violate Fourth Amendment Rights Of Gun Owners : Freedom Outpost _________________ "Don't seek truth...."

ya'll brought this cultural sht up in the thread, not me ... and you tried to use it as 'reasons' to Disarm the (temporary) low is great ... meanwhile, non correlated gun count is still high - ( thankfully ) so, you've been making a fruitless gun control argument... parroting the corporate media shills... arguments published as 'truth'... ass nauseam they need you and your just special little dittos. _________________ "Don't seek truth...."

Another way of seeing it wasn’t all about a new ‘special’ mayors and ‘new attitude’ police, etc. in town: > daily life in a (temporarily) less violent ‘NYC’ = the stealthy ascendance of 1) institutionalized, unprosecuted “accounting fraud” and 2) first gubmnt carried the hedge ‘expenses’ for risks taken, then proceeded on to transferring the risks to taxpayers... etc These and other easy buttons in ‘tricking’ drastically reduced the need for ‘criminals’ to use force, violence, and weapons in taking . ( meanwhile > daily life in amerika = they drive to walmart… again…and again…’forever’...:doh: ) _______________________________ "Don’t seek truth… "

Thank you. Actually “R v W” is just as good of one of those ‘multiple reasons’ as the other stories and opinions being thrown up as the truth. We could also factor in the ease with which the ‘dependency class’ was allowed to grow, etc etc... SunGunner was pushing a single variable “point” that it was a shift in gov’t and law enforcement (while sneaking in as much ‘gun control’ propaganda as possible of course) that turned the crime tide in NYC. His opinions are not facts. ... he was not the only one "there" ... I don’t discount those gov't and enforcement variables one bit…but, a point he doesn’t seem to want to allow is that a leading, independent, top down shift in the criminal element culture also occurred – many crime orgs ‘matured’, went into ‘legit bidnes’ , etc etc etc. ... and, meanwhile - the argumentum ad populum used by the to Disarms that urban US is “safer” because of gun control is false. Through the whole period being discussed – all the pertinant gun counts stayed relatively stable.

more twisted reasoning in you ...and more word twisting from you... I didn't claim it was from the spread of more guns... I said the cultural changes - of which the factors we both mentioned are but a part - all occurred while the gun count (especially the illegal gun count) stayed relatively unchanged and high. ie a "safer apple" was from a cultural change and not the spread of less, less, and less guns

that mouse speak with forked tongue That is a very unrealistic “Perhaps” … in our real world outside of prison “tighter supply and control of supply” is a TOTAL impossibility – unless you could and would extend the same strictures on movement of goods and people as are imposed inside, but then that would no longer be outside of prison, would it? See where you’re really going with this? Peep–control- freakn yet?

You’re projecting again… the ‘leadership’ word was used alone in my post… if we must qualify it, ‘strong and mean’ leadership would be a much better qualifier than ‘good’ … clarifying points for anyone who can follow… murders in a prison have a much higher “clear” rate than in a city… leadership must control occurrences more because, it is vastly easier to follow the chain of a gang kill in prison back up the hierarchy in prison than it is on the ‘outside’ ... and for individually or gang planned murders, it is much ‘easier’ get implicated and have sentence extended, etc, etc. For example ChiTown only has about a 23% murder clearance / arrest / conviction – lazy corrupt cops, etc. - much lower than in prisons… on the outside the murderers are definitely more worried about vics who turn out to have parity than they are getting caught by the police. … and instead of "chorus" and other activities, the leadership is busy on the ‘control’ of the (much tighter supplies of) objects and less reliable / harder to 'reinforce' human agents … sometimes, MM, your Pollyanna replies are NOT comical… It is simply thick headed to think that if the murder rate really has changed across the ages because of weapons that suddenly we could put those technologies back in the box and fix anything. It is not comical to watch you focus all this energy into trying to stop future lanza’s that might “suddenly upset” you - by falsely associating those incidents with the all the violence in this culture, by trying to blame regular people for murders because some of us have guns, by thinking that taking our weapons would improve things “a little bit ”, and assert that would cause the murdering to fade away... Meanwhile, while you stay energized by driving by Sandy H and fixated on all the wonderful things you could fix if you could get 1 gun off the streets, you drive by and don’t do a dam thing about incredible damage done to women, children, and other family members every day by those who would use force to get what they want… go away.