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Gekko, I've been skimming your DOM posting for a while now and I think you’re getting resistence because 1) you really are ‘selling’ DOM trading ( with some payoff that doesn’t involve getting any dollars commission, btw ) You’ve asserted that it is the ‘only/best way’, (and …to your credit) you have also said it’s not the only way. Ie You’ve been emphatic … then you back away. and 2) But no where have you explained it in terms of interests and aptitudes… and I think that omission is the underlying cause of the challenges you are receiving to your assertions. Ie Many traders would choose to work a 9-5 job rather than try to game an ever changing stack of digits – even if the colors vary agreeably (and Predictably ) …. You’ve threatened to stop ‘selling’ it – http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/futures-trading-laboratory/15717-why-futures-better-12.html#post175488 and haven’t. …I think the tone of the challenges, etc. would significantly dissipate if you were to open a “Ask any DOM related question” thread …and mean it. but…If you were to open a “Ask any DOM related question” thread, would you care enough to go beyond the single, well duh, pabulum answer to questions. Earlier I asked you to “describe some of those differences in how they behave” and all we got was “CL is a very thin market” … For you, is manipulation as 'clearly visible' in CL ? (or treasuries ? etc? ) ... and how? Would you go for the same number of ticks in CL? …other differences ??? thanks. and re "... 2-3 ticks at a time ...Order flow trading is not really meant for anything or than that" Really? Categorically ?? ... However, if you wouldn’t care enough to start the thread and go beyond pabulum answers… then I guess just keep ‘selling’ ...and getting resistance… with rapidly decreasing returns for everyone… jmo zdo

Thanks. Welcome His descriptions make Australia look like the 58th state of the US ... :crap: sht... "We're all socialists now" ... do you agree with him that 'taxpayer leagues' will have any impacts?

Gekko78, Care to describe some of those differences in how they behave? Thanks.

Thanks. I would have never attributed that one to Maslow… … trying to relate that to this thread… When the only 'tool' you have is neuron lingua, every problem begins to resemble ________________ ???

who is Maslow?... and what did he say? :missy:

More reviews, etc. at How To Develop A Trading Brain - Yahoo! Finance Google Translate ... as with most writers who say trading is xx% psychology – in this case he’s a psychologist who believes trading is 100% psychology – I have some issues... Nonetheless, it looks like a good (audio /) read ...striking parallels with much of what our Rande Howell is getting at. (...fwiw - imho and experience, both these coaches appear to place too high a reliance on change via changing the ‘brains’...)

Most posters who don’t have the answer or even any answer say nothing at all… but SUIYA, he … … :haha:Don’t you think the “I don’t knows” are unnecessary ?… especially since you don’t post a “don’t know” to every post that you “don’t know” …then routinely follow your “don’t know ” with a clouding of the question via some spin to dilute the original question – comments about my extremes of “gloom and doom” just the latest example. Yes, you are accurately picking up that my interests and the spheres I operate in aren’t typical… or 'normal'. But I do have respect for TL members… enough respect, at least, that my questions are sincere and can be taken simply at face value… and yes answers, including yours, are appreciated. If I really knew, I wouldn't ask... zdo My questions may have taken the thread off track from the shorter time frame bar chart conversations. Thread killer? Hope not. Will move my PM posts and questions to a new thread or revive an old one that seems more aligned to non chart info, ‘fundamentals’ ( not really the right word btw), etc. I would still appreciate answers to why the posters herein work ‘shorter’ time frame charts in gold. Thanks.

SUIYA, re "not really" Thanks a lot. Like it or not - and acknowledge it or not - by far and away most trading posters post on topics they are working on understanding more deeply. At this point in time, while I respect others’ needs, I don’t need to or care to post methods, explorations, ‘beyonds’, whatever on reading and trading charts, ‘technicals’, etc... Except for the few truly dedicated souls we are blessed with in here, most of us don’t enthusiastically and redundantly post more than a few times about what has gone ‘unconscious competent’ … In my case, most of my posted questions lean toward more ‘fundamental’ issues… and most zdgloom posts are simply throwing some questions up to the polyanna crowds who seem to assume the status quo is authentically stable in a world awash in fiat. That which is unsustainable really is unsustainable. ( sorry, that’s inside ‘brilliance’ only SunTrader could appreciate ! ) My simplest explicit explanation for why I’m long biased PM’s for decades now is 'trend analysis'. But it was sheer luck off handed comments by someone I respected that initially turned my interest that way. His certainty reinforced my less certain ‘fundamentals’. … and, in retrospect, I can also safely call it sheer luck that I just happened to start acting on that bias near the PM lows … sheer luck - not ‘understanding’. STIGMYA ... check the history of my stock index posts – they are not bear and gloom at all. In fact, many of them questioned why we weren’t at dow 19000 then… and now, why not dow 23000 today. I have a multi year long SI / shortYM spread campaign going, but most of those years are flat, not short, the YM. Imo, it’s better to accumulate PMs than not – but I even ponder that coming ‘resets’ may not even favor PM’s at all… in real time ways I haven’t even imagined yet… re: “long term spread between spot and future” long term spreads seem to be ‘routine’. My questions came from the spot / april ask spread. For me, the ~ .70 cnt backwardation btwn spot ask and April ask, after costs, etc., would not worth releasing / ‘losing’ the physical, even to lock in a sure small profit. Is this the case for others too? Is that what makes this opportunity persist for weeks? Maybe I’m too far off technicals topic…moving back on topic - I also have a question for those who have been posting in this thread. Why do you work short term charts and SR's etc, in gold? zdo

anyone have thoughts on the backwardation ? thx

...and I hope you don't strain your brain too much parroting the useful legends about the big apple. Have you requested them to send you scripts more often... so you don't have to try to keep in line on your own?

NYC had a 50 YEAR RECORD LOW NUMBER OF MURDERS last year because NYC had a 50 YEAR RECORD LOW NUMBER OF MURDERS last year... police, guns, etc. had little to do with it.

Well duh, captain obvious ... excellent work. do you cut and paste with the mouse or ctrl-c ctrl-v? Besides emphasizing the heretofore completely unrecognized pattern that most violence and crimes are commited by repeat offenders ( btw - obviating the need to consfiscate the Arms from regular people ... anyways ) how exactly did this have anything to do with To Arm or to Disarm the public? Not a dam thing... ... besides maybe making for a great pool / poll on how much longer this 'social worker in uniform' program stays funded... Depending on a one off police program that has little chance of being 'transmitted' / replicated elsewere won't work... partial list of reasons it won't work - it is talent specific and its key 'spiritual' leaders are ready to move on... plus it will not make through unfolding funding rubicons... I been saying since the beginning of this thread - those ppl are not really that important to the state heck a clever gang leader could designate which punks go into the program... to keep the 'workers' off the back of their really effective 'players'... actually, it will most likely get cut soon when a heartbroken mother publicizes that her son was beat and stabbed to death because his 'officers' did the 'cruise by and yell hi to him' when he was hanging with his broz etc . ...uh oh ... ironically, the officers' correct assessment that "we're not responsible. the punks are" won't fly with rev sharpt and the new normal... or Better alternative - ( one even you could do, sunt - unless you are a complete collectivist tool) how long would it take for a 'quorum' of private citizens everywhere to really learn the 'Know the kids in the 40 closest dwellings to you' rule Do you know your neighbors and their kids? No matter WHERE you live, have you gotten to know all the families in that 40 dwelling radius from your home?…. Especially the teens?… to the point where you know which ones are just bopping on through their lives and the one’s who are suffering and acting out or are likely to act out… and on to the ones that have and may again need serious intervention ? ...That an adult has simply acknowledged them can be a significant deterent to perping anyone in the neighborhood - not just you or your place... Have you gotten to know their parents well enough so that when you show up, you don’t have to bring up the kid as a subject, they will ? Are you involved in shaping your “neighborhood watch”? - whether it is an ‘organized’ one or not.

Coming to a borrough near you Oakland Neighbors Policing Their Own Streets As They Lose Faith In Cops « CBS San Francisco …sooner than we’d like Moonbattery » Running a Coffee Shop Under Anarcho-Tyranny … however, (ny) city shopowners and homeowners will NOT need to be armed… with the impeccable support they get from the new police in the new york, they can learn to talk lawbreakers into ceasing their criminal activities…

That is the Legend. You need to tell it 14000 more times before it’s ‘true’ your feel good story … you are trying to twist that New Yorkers, including the criminals, are now significantly less armed... not true As I posted to Ingot above, these “rival gangs” went ‘legit’… really they were taken over. The ‘players’ behind the curtain did a gradual, ‘friendly’ buyout ... Most of the ‘Protection’ money is now collected as taxes – larger base, less ‘resistance’ plus it’s fairer [haha] for everyone… fairness is New Yorkers with any income at all are paying more than 50% of their income in net taxes… smart ones getting out… and again, regarding the Arm argument, don’t try to delude anyone here. Those ‘rival gangs’, etc. may not need to shoot at each other anymore – but if you think they aren’t still armed to the teeth with high quality weapons… think again. ”less guns had” little to do with less ‘crime’ - because there really aren’t ‘less’ guns. bigger picture… ‘democracy’ comes near the end of a life cycle of a ‘culture’. … then, subsequently, democracy must not be allowed to stand in the way of ‘fascism’. We love your old NYC bedtime story though... will you tell it to us again, grandpa sunturk ?...

In the absence of clear and present danger, fear is misuse of imagination. In actual clear and present danger, the almost completely (at least for normals) inevitable initial fear is an integral PART OF THE SOLUTION! Multiple times in here I’ve pointed to a much broader example of this in the cultural changes that occurred in NYC … with a concommitent reduction in murder stats etc. To the to Disarms this phenomenon was the effect of strict gun control laws, good police, and righteous politicians – acting out the wishes of the suddenly less oppressed people… this appeared to be true on the surface enough for them to manage perceptions that the story goes like this… but behind the scenes the political and law enforcement corruption was deeper than ever… These “rival gangs” went ‘legit’… really they were taken over. Your newly re-discovered ‘players’ behind the curtain did a gradual, ‘friendly’ buyout ... now, they're doing a different kind of takeover. They're taking over the part of your mind that loves peace... like they have done countless times before Yes, each of us must lift our own 'oppression' ... but being 'tooled' like this doesn't lift your oppression or anyone elses. It deepens it.. . All the best, zdo

Anyone want to read some preemo prejudging ?? Well, here you go! No, Ingot, ‘we’ don’t have the answer yet. Only you do. Since I don’t know if your pre-existing biases have dissolved or whether, from this new information, you’ve concluded we should remain Armed or we should now all unilaterally Disarm I will just venture one opinion… Some rather ruthless, cunning, and very trained and experienced at ‘running’ the supply of ‘money’, owning governments and government employees, ‘managing’ (the stream of )perceptions and dominant concerns, exacerbating and capitalizing on crises, leveraging conflicts and divisions then selling arms, etc. and loaning money to both sides… etc etc In my opinion, if you’re just now discovering that *, then Ingot, you’re really in no position to tell us what is NOT the ‘solution’ (or what is the ‘solution’ either) - no matter which ‘side’ your coming down on. …if you think their ‘end’ will be peaceful , that we should all willing turn in all our arms to hasten their end, then you’ve become a tool of the tools who made the vid....Afterwards maybe… but now is no time to Disarm… that is big time sucker thinking…they can't wait,,, will use force if necessary... would be laughing their sociopathic asses off if we did it voluntarily... … if on the other hand, from this new information, you’ve concluded we should stay Armed, then let me clue you in on something. The real 'subjects' of that link are a reason to stay Armed… but they are very very far down the list in realistic, practical reasons to stay Armed Feeling prejudged yet? Maybe you should have just stated your position… before leaving… bye buddy... we'll miss you... you're always welcome back btw... * all tentacles lead to a squid... jól duh

omg... futures are better

MightyMouse, Thanks for answering the question - but sincerely I'm really only concerned with how we each answer such questions internally and privately Yes I am. We had/have some kidnapping risks. My kids are trained too – daughters even more than sons. In certain developmental periods, the boys independently initiated/sneaked preparation more than the girls did… etc so the girls got more formal training. They are all grown now. None of them are gun nutz. One daughter has a conceal carry permit. The other one chooses not to carry It is impossible to really answer such questions beforehand- in a ‘policy’ type of way or in any other way. They can only be ‘answered’ in the moment. I hope I have not led anyone to think ‘shootin’, period, is the thing to do. In each moment of each ‘suddenly’ life threatening situation is an ‘opportunity’ for correct action. Some ‘opportunities’ involve attacking. Some ‘opportunities’ involve flight. Some involve embracing. Some even involve apathetic relinguishing… … and anything we could say about what would unintentionally increase or reduce the risks to any or all the ‘innocents’ present in an unfolding “suddenly” life threatening situation would be just talk. So when you ask “Should an innocent life be taken to spare many?” and “Should the lives of many innocent people be taken to spare a few?” My answer to both is – it is “suddenly” situations specific. Such questions cannot possibly be answered beforehand… and any answers re ‘weapon statistics’ in reality say nothing to, for, or about distinct moment in such events… It is possible to prepare, to some degree, for possible emergence of these situations. As I have repeatedly asserted throughout, To Arm is simply about accumulating more options in such situations. I choose to avail myself of more options if possible. In my own personal life, I’ve learned the hard way that I can better accept whatever results, mistakes, and consequences that transpire if I have done my best to put my options and preparations in order. It saddens me to know you are not prepared to protect yourself and your family… and while I grudgingly respect that choice, I do not respect “infringement” on other people’s choices via laws and prohibitive taxes and regulations in the name of (what is a false, not even a truly ‘statistical’) security for the ‘innocents’… One major feature of human vs human “suddenly” life threatening situations is that when they perceive indications of near parity in ‘firepower’ and power, perps ( except those who are deep into suicidal / ie with extremely low levels of self- regard ) are very likely to vacate their intended ‘forced violation’. They came looking for victims, not opponents. Leveraging this tendency does protect innocents (and others present who might be banking on karma via hoping for the presence of someone else with the capacity to defend them… etc.) ... and I sincerely hope none of us like the “way these feel, sound, or look”. None of these thankfully low frequency situations are pleasant at all. zdo

SIUYA, It’s not side tracking at all. If you check back through MM's posts you will find a lot of references to him and his family being sufficiently "protected" without the risk of guns. Some of them allude to protection via 'god'. “My family is protected when I am there or not” is just the latest example. That verse states an equivalent sentiment. My use of the verse was respecting and honoring all our faith in protection... protection that I pray 'god' does extend to his family… to all our families. I was also saying that in "addition" to that sentiment, these 'suddenly' events also require personal responsibility which includes matching firepower +training+ preparation… all these are acts of love. In earlier times, application of all them was painfully obvious… now the forces of modern urbanization, etc. have obfuscated and clouded all of them… people walking right on by stabbing victims on the street without even calling 911, etc. Through a series of posts, MM, representing the To Disarms, represented to just be relying on the first act of love ---minus obtaining matching firepower minus training and preparation. (I’ll add another + to the ‘equation’ now…) + in many cases to Disarms carry a delusional ‘hope’ they will be able to ‘reason’ with criminal insanity. Get it yet? At one time that particular verse had sort of passed outside the exclusive auspices of bible thumping christians into ‘general’ collective knowledge. Looks like that time has passed now …information explosion… internet…yada yada… it was probably supplanted by a collective fascination with Kim Kard.’s big fat ass…or "I'll be back"… It was also interesting how the use of a verse from the bible triggered a small, strange round of “God and guns”, etc. stereotyping. SunTwist associated that reference to pro-lifers and pro death penalty positions … stereotyping often says more about the 'typer' than it does the 'typee'… Seeing how far off wrong some of the projections have been on me in this thread is, if nothing else, teaching me that my ‘stereotyping’ thoughts also probably have low accuracy and should be dropped … fwiw, I’m pro death. I think both the mother and the father should have the authority to abort a child up until it is 25 years old. … However, I do have some issues with being forced to pay … a ‘clinic’ to kill some one else’s child … and re the death penalty – I’m strictly, old school sharia law and nothing else baby. Well maybe throw in a bit of Japanee and routinely offer the convicted one the opportunity to execute himself with a curved blade… Seriously now - in only very rare cases could I see myself voting as a jurist to execute… current structures are just too kind to over or under or mis use of the death penalty process. At the same time, I do understand why societies, especially smaller ones, retain the death penalty option… (oh sht, more fkn ‘cabin theory’ :rofl: ) …some rather confusing, unresolved paradoxes arising from our ‘modern’ pushes to kill the ‘relatively innocent’ … and save the ‘relatively guilty’… ...SIUYA, I can’t remember the particulars but one of your other posts from some time back calls for a reply. Been busy...Will see if I can dig it up… zdo

Shoulder fired rockets are now legacy weapons. It's drones and robots now ... less less guns is an allopathic solution... I believe allopathy is in the process of running its course re "tearful plea" trot out In an open letter to Obama in response to the latter’s exploitation of Newtown to advance an attack on our right to bear arms, Columbine survivor Evan Todd asks a very good question: “Whose side are you on?”

You're still busy 'twisting' ... Every post I have made in this thread is about dealing with NON "innocence"... What would YOU do when faced with clockwork like armed attackers threatening harm or death to you and your loved ones? If you had it, would you’ use’ a gun? Or would you run and leave your family behind? Or, die on your knees begging for mercy (while waiting for the cops)? It’s a very simple gun control question

and twist the scenarios that you must represent to yourself any way you like.. from limb to limb… from six ways to wednesdy… from what if this…? to what if that…? twist them any way your imagination will let you. Any way you twist these inner scenarios though - with an available weapon you have more options… not necessarily pretty options or what under normal circumstances would be considered desirable options - But, the better armed you are, the MORE options you have. The more prepared you are, the MORE options you have. In such “suddenly” life and death events, MORE options do matter Edward Everett Hale It is actually your own inner flawed bible/screenplay, bub. In reality you simply do not have enough knowledge or exposure to me, the man, to know my scripts It not quite worth it to try and guess what "flawed bible/screenplay" you're talking about or where you are getting this stuff... Still - Project all the shadowy sht you can on me ... it will ultimately help you heal. just yours? no one else's family is protected when they are "there or not" ?... you've attempted to put yourself in a position to determine who should be allowed to have arms. now you're attempting to put yourself in a position to decide which families 'god' protects. ? are you really qualified ? In gratitude that you and your family are "protected" - at that level, In sadness that you and your family are not "protected" at the level where your physical role and preparation for "suddenly" is concerned, You think you're "there". You're not. You've obviously got a long training and experiential ordeal ahead of you to a place where an almost imperceptible but authentic shift happens inside where you start to protect your would-be assailant from the imminent jeopardy he faces with his violent intents. All the best, zdo

Typical scenario twisting... instead of answering the question. I keep the faith that you and others have secretly and simply answered it for yourself. Your memory is short... I've told you several times now guns do not make me "feel good" at all... explosions, controlled or not, huge or micro, are aversive to me, etc etc etc. More accurately - a gun doesn't really provide the security that you hoped I hoped for ... check your projections. My "protection" does come at a very large cost. You and yours have no "protection" at all. I have a stop placed. You don't. ...wishing whatever god you settle on blesses you and yours with no such sudden instants all the best, zdo

Gun grabbers love to use skewed statistics and false assumptions to draw 2nd Amendment advocates into irrelevant tangents and muddle the bottom line. In the end, there is only one question that needs to be asked and answered: What would YOU do when faced with clockwork like armed attackers threatening harm or death to you and your loved ones? If you had it, would you’ use’ a gun? Or would you run and leave your family behind? Or, die on your knees begging for mercy (while waiting for the cops, if you got the chance to dial out)? It’s a very simple gun control question I think only paid government trolls and syncopaths in a state of obedient slumber that is not sleep would argue that firearms are not worth the risks in such “suddenly” events... In real events ( not in statistical studies, or in theories about prisoners, or... ) any HONEST gun control activist with any capacity for valour at all would at least have the sense to admit that they would want the best possible protection for themselves and their family – which, in such situations, is a gun - and for multiple attackers, would be a high capacity semi-automatics... (like the gun grabbing senator’s body guards carry...) You, individually, cannot legally take guns from other persons that you have decided should not have guns. You, as a vigilante, won’t get very far in identifying other persons that you have decided should not have guns, nor in ‘prosecuting’ your (morally sound) private confiscations. You cannot realistically depend on an increasingly insane and dysfunctional government to come anywhere close to adequately taking the guns from people that you would determine should not have guns. Folks, your best options – until the real, current world we live in is outlier free – go To Arm

Change gods if you need… that’s btwn you and god… To Arm is additive … Psalm 23:4, etc. PLUS+ matching lethality PLUS individual responsibility… to Disarm is ‘subtractive’ … Psalm 23:4 minus- …. minus- … minus-