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Except for the ‘manipulators’ , I often wonder how many of those ‘selling’ are consuming their savings… their (not infinite) personal wealth... (yes...many of those may even making an intermedieate step into 'chasing returns' with the proceeds of their gold sales... but still I wonder...) …the title Gold Bullish or Bearish … might be better titled Gold Bullish and Bearish – since there is no inflation… :helloooo: ... and since there is no deflation… :helloooo: ... and money is still cheap (at least for sure still cheap in JPN )… who needs gold when you can still buy cheap dollars with dollars?…

The mind is trapped in form. If those ratios weren’t there, it’s not likely ‘we’ (Leonardo Pisano (who wasn’t really the first to discover fibs, etc), et al) would have ever ‘seen’ them… Probably never realizing it - even to this day - Donald E. Simanek did not write a paper about the ratios. He wrote a paper about misguided ‘mystics’ still looking for the ‘formless’ in form… desperately looking for a language in the 'numbers' … and they find it… but they find in it an incomplete symbology – like all languages … He wrote a paper to desperately make sure he didn’t make the same mistake… ...and you might just be using that link to 'throw the baby out with the bath water'… In the markets, pure fibs sequences are the exception... exclusively focusing on 'fibs' , instead of the current dominant ratio 'cluster' (which is transitory and lasts... until it ends) yields tradable 'precision' about 5% of the 'time'...

Pls someone 'splain' to us dependency

For those of you who are actually learning some things from this thread… When you’re setting up your scenarios and building your constructs , slide them much more closely around 50 50 than 97 – 3, etc. (97 – 3, etc may be illustrative – but it is also produces ‘unconscious’ delusions …) Also, watch out for those posts that lay down rules and structures for this type of trading without defining the capitalization parameters containing their approach… (ie generally - ‘fully’ capitalized can fully scale… less fully capitalized can only partially scale… … barely capitalized better not scale at all…etc.... ) ...and to have a 'less than random ;)chance in real life, you need to go much beyond generally to very 'system specific'... cause you, yes YOU, have an "...unless..." coming to a future in you... Have a great weekend all

I came back early from my vacation to trade … guess I’ll start up fkn with ya’ll in these echo chambers again too… charles hugh smith-Artificial Abundance, Moral Hazard and the Federal Reserve's Doomsday Machine … nothing we haven’t been saying for years… just that now more voices are catching on to the con’d meme … although we still have a ways to go until it really verges past the threshold into a collective crescendo… ie real mess...

On the spec trades, as ‘planned’ at http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/market-analysis/12054-gold-bullish-bearish-44.html#post179017 was stopped out last Thu near 22.30 and, as planned, took on three loads at ~21.67 and one at ~20.67 last night – each load scaled arithmetically larger than previous… Have two more scaled load limit orders at 19.67 and 18.67 to reach full allocation for this trade. May have to wait a while… or later, may have put stops above (oco’ing the limits) to fill the allocation instead ... I remain overall bullish on PM’s … but this ‘correction’ may last for some time… it has already become a long drawn out affair... largely a rotation out of etf's, etc. into physicals … On the hedge side… won’t discuss past 'that’s a whole different world'… … regarding manipulation, etc... who is clinging to an old, collapsing world view ? who (...besides the fed ) has the 'funds' to create mega paper shorts at will ? who wants you to believe falling PM prices in relation to fiat means PM's are losing their purchasing power ? who ... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-20/guest-post-new-abnormal ? … Won’t be around much for a while …Taking off for 5 - 6 weeks … may check in once or twice... all the best. zdo

:rofl: Seriously though, we are talking in here about traders, not investors. Important distinction. http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/forex/13692-characteristics-traders-versus-investors-forex-markets-2.html#post156184 etc ...and when you hear Buffet say: “I realized that technical analysis didn’t work when I turned the chart upside down and didn’t get a different answer,” it's obvious his proclivities and strengths are in playing the monetary system, etc. and it's a good thing for him he didn't try to become a 'trader'.

Re Static or dynamic The key to any straight or crooked 'line' on any chart - no matter what you name it or how you derive / program / calculate / project it – is how much it ‘matters’ when at the time it is approached… it could be as strong as the wall of china in the moment… or it’s there but it could have the strength of a frkn jet vapor trail It's better to know it's there than not that is Why Successful Traders Use Fibonacci Retracements

A ‘real’ fibonnaci trader talks [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soynQs8qxCA]Mark Douglas - MIND OVER MARKET (Full Interview) - YouTube[/ame]

Skimmed some earlier posts… and as a beginner, the first ‘thing’ I was ever really into in trading was fibonnaci ! lucas quickly followed… then modified gann angle clusters… then… Actually, the really first active interest was fib time projections! Exciting, fun, and episodically successful. Working deeper and deeper into that ‘episodically’ is what made my trading career. learning to “read charts” (like wak off, et al) occurred on a wholly asynchronous process, via different learning and work modalities (… this is partly what mit is ‘seeing’ and commenting about re db’s ‘intrusions’… and it’s questionable that db understands this…his content doesn’t indicate he does…)

Actually applying that would be Pure Wisdom. All the best, zdo Have a great weekend all ps: btw, imo it's closer to 3% and ...too bad for us that you don't seem to care to modulate your 'angry inner put down queen'

Kuokam, I hear you but there are almost as many variations on astro wk as there are on technical wk in trading. I couldn’t teach "astromental", for one, because there are so many "astromentals". For two, I can’t teach period. On TL I think I have less than 20 posts on the subject… In essence, you would need teach yourself the basics of your "astromentals" – finding those, if any, that speak to you and provide actionable information. You may be attracted to the ‘astros’ resonance with the ‘neural nets’… you may be attracted to ‘astros’ resonance with (and sufficientlyupsetting) the 'fluid nets', etc etc etc etc etc etc… No matter which ways you master in astro trading , imo, ultimately you’re only learning additional ways of how to do summations of cycles… and the art is to learn how many degrees to lead… if you don’t have a deep passion for it, then just stay a layman – wtf is a layman anyways ? Re disclosure: There are some astro methods that I use but don’t discuss… but they are horary, for personal applications, not for projecting possible collective actions. I am personally less curious in astro than in the past and even then my interests were in the developmental symbolism of the zodiac and then jumped to the long term, more esoteric cycles – galactic astro , instead of planetary , etc. etc. – completely skipping traditional, conventional, personality, etc. and astro's for and about the current masses. Back in the early 90’s, I was blessed with a friendship with a trader who specialized in astro for his trading and so was also blessed with watching the reality of astro trading in action … I learned that as far as CIT goes, the aspects, etc. correctly identify around 20 out of the next 3 trend changes … I get info feeds from passionate astro traders almost daily. This particular ‘May 14’ aspect I was yammering about is founded in Mars 180 Rahu I think bobc uses a high end astro trading program. You could probably PM him and get details. I was just acknowledging, lightly engaging, and appreciating his astro talking. If no one does that then he will probably just go away… and if he goes away , I would miss him and his unique input. I think posters should post about what they are ‘working’ on improving at the moment. For example, the ‘contrarian’ fx, etc. position trades I’ve been posting about lately... completely out of my wheel house. My PM trades are long term trades based on fundamentals – a type of trading that has also always been even more foreign to me. I was blessed to receive excellent advice in long term pm’s long ago… and ‘lucky’ enough to apply it rather assiduously… but that doesn’t mean I am a master at fundamental trading, by any means… All the best, zdo

... modified scaling / adding more short EurJpy ... modified scaling / adding more short UsdJpy (6JU3) ( fwiw lightening loads on other long Eur trades (EurChf, etc. ) exiting large part of long TryJpy as we speak... Still long PM’s, with stops and position reestablishing limits resting below. Will roll out of longs and start shorting US indexes before cob May 14… just for snicks. Also have moved up resting stops under YM to leg back into the SI/YM spread campaign… ... ambivalent about shorting AUD more... ... )

thx. bobc fwiw May12 - ~16 "the astro" opens some possibilities that trading just about everything will be fun

(dark dirty) Trade recommendation: Sell BTC (overbought ?) Buy SNAP cards (at a discount. Fact. No question.)

:rofl: [that's too good... you should see it in real life ...]

sell ! sell ! ! sell sell ! sell sell ! sell sell ! sell sell ! sell sell !

If the pms_fiat.jpg (1st attachment below) means nothing to you, then the pms_fiat.jpg below means nothing to you … … The Chinese have figured out what to do with all their depreciating dollars (see 2nd attachment below) ... Are We On The Verge Of Witnessing The Death Of The Paper Gold Scam? - BlackListedNews.com I’m am largely getting around this by simply exchanging gold for silver at this point… but the other day I also bought some bags of junk silver with USD and paid a cognitive dissonance level of premium… story maker was mumbling all the way home “are you fkn crazy?” We now return you to your regularly scheduled Vliinberg newsfeeds and ‘the trend is updn’ posting… :spam: Lower the Day Trading Margins for Your Account

Thank you. If he's this reactive before he goes live, it probably doesn't matter whether he trades "As If Price Is Random" or not... in a week or two... ( ..."in a week or ... "... That stirs some memories... it's circa mid august 1985… demo has not been going well, only because there is no such thing yet, but… I will be going live with a real account next week… ) ... and a real mathemagician would have quickly and easily shown to those whose lives he is attempting to make a contribution to the difference between authentically random and has all the appearance (and threats) of pure random, so therefore must be treated as 'random' all my love, zdo

forexpipcatcher, Welcome to TL Mathematician? That's great. Of the linear or the non-linear variety? ie history has now also completely infiltrated mathematics… so to hold yourself up as a mathematician is virtually meaningless on its own... but If indeed you are a ‘mathemagician’ with a capital ‘M’, please explain random to us dummies out here in the lab… but, please, first expose your position on chance and telos ( only one not the other, both, neither, etc.) ... thank you in advance very much... A rather harsh welcome I know… but we seem to be hell bent on doing our best around here to run any weak posters off… whether you’ve got anything valuable to contribute or not… ( :haha: ie generally posting is restricted to 'subcriminal psychopath predators' only ie be careful not to ask any questions unless you're a brand new, raw, suffering noobie... ... also certain individual members have additional requirements... Steve46 has brutal eyes for 'infantile', Mit demands 'beyond' PLUS a golden C... and DbP will tear you a brand new one if you have any 'indicator' thoughts or questions... that's how we roll... ;) )

is this a Thinking, Fast and Slow thread or what ? :missy: :spam: Final two days to claim your $750.00 Discount on Just One Trade subscription...

… more mooey reactive stungun… …Wasn’t disagreeing with your post or making your “niece wrong”. … was just extending it a bit ( … it’s not just guns in those homes with flags… there are also other things “of value” in them… sometimes ) and offering a bit of advice for dum patriots who do make themselves a more likely target by industriously flying a flag ( you can bring the odds back down and make yourself a less likely target if you use the decals…) btw :rofl: Let me take a moment and say hi to the guys at the NSA and DHS

...bcse people with values are also more likely to have things 'of' value rephrasing, not quoting, willie sutton... yep. those dumasses who fly the flag just need to put 'These premises protected by Smith and Wesson' decals up on their windows... much as the flag attracts 'casing the joint', these signs tend to repel...criminals de-target those homes quickly... willie sutton knows why...

ironee George Tucker

…just skimmed this thread and am having issues with a thang from each side of the emergent argument... hopefully I was just absent the day they covered this in class... 1 how in the heck is Parabolic SAR a "leading indicator"? 2 how in the heck is prev SR not a "leading indicator"?