zdo

handle, I appreciate the way you have handled the off topic bulsht in your thread. If by some small chance you do persist here, you might reconsider and more openly discuss some of the Ross methods / patterns themselves. ... possibly even contacting Joe for permission. The fact is - and quite contrary to what others have posted above - most of Ross's setups have either been contributed by him into the public domain or have been disclosed elsewhere - if no where else, in his books. I'm almost certain you could discuss the actual patterns / knowledge without dislosing any of the wisdom and understanding you garnered from your face to face work with him and without violating any NDA you agreed to with him. all the best, zdo

... here you go, mits :rofl: “Let us create a model.” The Journey from the Basement (and please don't feel obligated in any way to put twig bird into plain english)

Soultrader, are you Joe Ross?

Not everyone can trade/stick with Ross methods. Not everyone could trade / stick with Gann methods… Between posters taking shts on other people’s systems and the posters, (so far only anticipated in this thread, but blve me they are their way here) who fling ‘it’s all in the edge’ - deniers of the REQUIREMENT that an edge be compatible with it’s user, it’s no small wonder to me that handle shares anything at all. Bobc I really appreciate your contributions across time, but that post – I don’t think that one helped you or anyone else. Instead of honoring his proximity to finding a self compatible system ,. You’re overlaying your own filters on it and calling ‘nonsense’ ??? The differences between ross methods and gann methods (in this case) abound in both structure and perceptual acuities required. The skill an eyeball Ross trader must develop (across time) is knowing those situations to stay out. This is really what separate Ross from ross traders … meanwhile most Gann methods need to be applied on every setup. … Gann found ‘no noise’ ie his 'inner geometry' tended to see and treat all pa as signal. Ross 'acknowledges' noise. His methods search for signal(s) in heavy noise… I haven’t the time to continue any comparisons in more depth... …If nothing else, Ross methods are 20 – 30 times more ‘algorithmically- friendly’ than anything Gann… especially for short holding periods. My point to noobs reading this - No method or edge in situ is "nonsense". Edges, in order be applied consistently across time, need to be matched to you, the individual trader. You're not just looking for an edge / method. You're looking for a method that matches well with your true nature.

from Needs of a Trader | Zero Hedge

Patuca, if you really want to get off, get yourself a golden C like members of congress, they are exempt from such commoner nonsense :missy:

:haha: you are complete [and total] idiot

re: "very strict parameters" are those "strict" rules yours or his ? Thanks.

thank you, patuca, for the song so…breaking the silence... “… the vision that was planted in my brain still remains” ie nothing new to rpt Inventories of gold are down and continuing down. Inventories of silver are way up and continuing up. The only shorts are hedges. The only PM specs: long silver. (… first time in a long time both legs of SI/YM sprd on…as at http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/traders-log/7706-v-dow-spread.html) posting – (is within) the sounds of silence zdo

sounds like "The market always tells you what to do. It tells you: Get in. Get out. Move your stop. Close out. Stay neutral. Wait for a better chance. All these things the market is continually impressing upon you, and you must get into the frame of mind where you are in reality taking your orders from the action of the market itself -- from the tape." ~ Richard D. Wyckoff Not really... if you cannot fully reconcile and embrace that you are in this game to TAKE opm, then you won't last long "We don’t see things the way they are. We see things the way we are." Talmud ___________________________________________________________ ps Use your will to condition your choices… instead of trying to use your choices to condition your will…

Patuca , Yes. You are a bridge over troubled waters….

Maybe everyone gets it except me ... but if you have time and energy, would you clarify / define how you are using the word mind here ? Many thanks.

handle, you're not taking rh's ?? thx zdo

Taylor ? (...although it's not typically regarded as a 'swing' method... it really is nothing but...)

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“A tight correlation with the euro is hardly a ringing endorsement to buy PM's.” (not our) MM (?)

did you try Plot1[displace](Value2, "jthma"); (where displace is a positive int. ... 2 in your case...ie Plot1[2](Value2, "jthma"); ) ?

Precisely... Enigmatics, is one of the ways of keeping yourself just inside the cusp of ‘pack membership in the mean’, etc, etc, or etc. or ... pick your way of describing choking, folks … regardless of how good your method always is “next month”... mark my words – you will ultimately need any and all those outsized gains foregone via “Psychology of Managing Trades for an Income...”, or however they are foregone ... In another thread someone mentioned learning from Larry Williams. Instead of oops bullsht, a much more important ‘thang’ to learn from Larry Williams is to press your runs hard... (and no, before you think this is all gamblee jankee - that doesn’t mean going reckless in sizing, mm, etc. at all!... ) Wishing you all the best, zdo

no I'll stick with cappuccino and free kittens especially in this case... anti gun anti gold ... needs love, not more stuff...

All unattended children will be given a cappuccino and a free kitten. zdo46

sepn one litl' thing ociffer, most of these bottles are "too expensive to carry" we wax too hegelian it's your audience we now return you to your regularly scheduled posting...

so you're not really addressing those who are still in the process of building wealth for "10, 20, 30 or 100 years" from now ?

??? imo, the dow needs to cross 24,000 (that's ~ 8600 points higher than the cash is now) to even be remotely approaching Bull... ie if you're not first seriously questioning any nominal chart you look at, you're under the influence of neptune, the god of delusion...

If someone had asked you, would you have told them those were all ‘dollar’ trades? Would you tell them how much net one has to make across these times on “Bonds, S&P, Crude, Gold” to keep up with the 2258.6% over the effective life of the fed fiat, depreciating purchasing power of the dollar? To dollar bulls, dollars are really worth something. To ‘gold bugs’ and ‘abugs’, if dollars are not going to be worth anything at some point – the trend is down - they really are only precariously worth something (like an already broken promise) now… Not trying to pick an argument… Yes “Its all good…” a trader will trade anything that is liquid, moves enough in ‘relative value’, and is not too expensive to carry. .. and I’m right up in here with all the other traders … the point? ... when all is really ‘well’, gold is neither bullish nor bearish… it doesn’t have Historical gold prices % moves per year up OR down like that… it wouldn’t be on your “all good” list… ie folks, concluding that the ‘new normal’ really is normal is delusional, not adaptive … even for “its all good ‘traders’” ie folks, selectively ignoring certain time frames to keep the narrative intact will not work over the long term… and, folks, if you ain’t in it for the long term, best go ahead and find a better use of your time NOW. :campy: Yesterday is a memory. Tomorrow is a dream. Today is a gift. That’s why we call it The Present…

generally speaking - forum 'questions' are among the most misunderstood, manipulated, abused questions possible on this planet... it is literally dangerous for a member to post a question.