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Thanks Tiki. I understand what you’re getting at… but both of us may now be confusing everybody. I skimmed Myer’s work. It’s good stuff. Found nothing wrong or disagreeable there, but elected an experiential, ongoing exploration of my own “trains” rather than learn from static pictures and descriptions, etc. re: “conventional weight training can only be moved in two planes. This limited range of motion attempts to isolate particular muscles.”… To clarify further - that quote was about moving weights and it was working with fixed planes, which are inflexibly pegged to the orientation of the earth, and weights can only be moved in two dimensions (vertically and or horizontally)… (hang on, I’m going somewhere with this… ) and re: “We move in 3 planes all day long. When exercising we move in 3 planes easily. The body moves in the Saggital, Frontal and Horizontal planes” Good spot for differentiation from the conventional here. In this model these 3 conventional earth planes orientations are replaced with body – centric orientation of 6 ‘movements’ – heave, pitch, roll, sway, yawl, roll. This body relative orientation facilitates self (or coach) assessing and balancing training much more effectively. For example, conventional orientation has a squat as a vertical movement. In a body centric orientation, it is a heave. From a conventional sense this may seem to be a picayune distinction, but learning to experience this orientation while working or playing is incredibly freeing – much more than sessions with a Physical therapist, Chriopractor, or decent Physical Trainer have ever been – at least for me btw, folks, If you’re going to expect ME to be scientifically immaculate about this then I suggest you find the IGNORE button now! I am ultimately “just doing it” and thankfully move pain free now and will not do much more jabbering/selling about it... All the best.

Meanwhile... Here's a little more of the simple truisms of the mobility approach and then the depths and quality on which they are founded. The simple truism: "Train to the pain, not through the pain" Scott Sonnon Some real time quality and depth behind that truism ( this is from the ZHealth spin off orientation btw. Sonnon may have even better depth published re this truism ! ) : begin to dig: Why Not "Train Through Pain"?

Kiwi, Will give some thought to your “resulting ideas”. Thanks. re: Thanks again. Prompts me to add the following: My answer to the question was an answer – not the answer. Our ‘ways of peeking in’ 1 the general projective 2 the particular projective 3 the general objective 4 the particular objective are all valid. Most of us are blind to (even defended against) 1, 2, or 3 of them. Also, as one’s awareness of them increases, the test about which ones take precedence often leads us to some downright goofy conclusions re cause and effect, etc

bf, The CST 'library' is stuffed with free and for sale variations. Distillation of anything is slow... give me a little time to distill the essence for you. Thanks. zdo

From a reasoning point of view, this is so correct. From a real people point of view, it is pure BS. Take a sample of a hundred traders, give them a verified edge. 2-3 will shine. Another 20 will turn reasonable profits. And the other 77 will blow up, wilt, rot, start and stop, etc. - i.e. fail. Heck, test it with your own edge db and you'll see.. I’ve experienced this first hand when working to recruit and build a cadre of money managers. These stats also hold up pretty well with what ultimately happened with the Turtles – and they even had great, accessible models and adequate coaching. (and fwiw, Dennis’ ‘edge’ still tested out well during their run) Anyways, the ‘reasons’ this statistic bears out are ultimately the stuff of the ‘emotional side’ – whether it “ought to be” or not db, Your personal experience may not bear this out, but imo in this specific area you sell false expectations. You been getting away with polling and reporting about jesus’s world like that’s typical (instead of what his disciples were left with) way too long… Whether you are aware of it or not, every time you post a version of the above herein you are basically promulgating grail seeking – and that’s ok as long as we all acknowledge it. In the archetype and in trading’s play with it, the ‘grail seeking’ story line is varied, expanded, amplified, drawn out, very detailed. Finding the edge is 'where it’s at'. Everything after is basically 'happily ever after'. But that’s not really so in the archetype (and also in trading’s play with it) and in the not so published or detailed or sufficiently varied stories of what happens after the grail is located. Yet, (the vast benefits of finding the ‘grail’ / edge notwithstanding) the after is every bit as important as the seeking part – again, even if it does not carry all the various volumes of content across time of the excitatory drythic mamas that the seeking parts do… ie Even if finding the edge / grail does heal / release one, and allow the death/end of much and bring new beginnings - it does not remove all the reaction patterns established by previous traumas and inner ‘decisions’ about them… 2-3 will gain from what I’m saying…

bf, Yes, Scott Sonnon is the man behind Circular Strength Training. He has met his own challenges with explorations to the training methods of east, west, south, and north. See Scott Sonnon, The Flow Coach Blog Archive Breaking the Code on your Physical Mastery The three wings of CST are 1. IntuFlow, 2 the conditioning workout (Clubbells, body weight, or one’s sport or specialty) and 3 Prasara/Yang yoga These three combined are labeled Circular Strength Training. >The IntuFlow wing starts at full body JOINT mobility and sophisticates from range to circles to infinities to clovers to waves. Joint mobility trumps flexibility any day period! See examples from zHeath (a more central nervous system oriented spinoff of IntuFlow – good stuff but is ‘one winged’ imo) Pre and Post Z-Health Shoulder Range of Motion Testimonial and begin to dig: Mobility vs Flexibility - is there a difference? >The middle wing: (by the book is) clubbell (and bodyweight) training >The third wing is Presara Yoga Prasara Yoga. It is a hard yang body weight 'yoga' that functions to compensate for temporary and chronic imbalances like the pitcher or tennis player’s ‘big’ arm, etc. etc. Summary: All the truisms of the ‘system’ go way beyond the obvious - like "More is not better, better is better" turns out to have practical applicable theoretically sound DEPTH. Several themes run through all three wings of CST. 1)One is (again) the importance of myofacsial tensegrity. Specific to myofascial work, my understanding (to date) is that the Dynamic Joint work (Intu-Flow, etc) is inner bag focused, the ‘hard’ Yoga (Prasara, FlowFit, etc) is outer bag focused, and the Clubbell athletics integrates both inner and outer bags. These three combined are labeled Circular Strength Training. 2 Another of them is sophisticated breath... Here is some text about one of the issues CST breathing addresses - performance / fear issues (hello many traders!) Other themes are 3) moving in 6 degrees of freedom 4) how ‘jammed’ joints create weakness and the severe limits of ‘regular’ stretching for recovery or injury prevention. 5) dynamic postural alignment 6) Cycling properly "Cycle or circuit but don't cocktail", etc etc. This does not begin to encapsulate the whole of CST and it is redundant from being hastily compiled but... Enough theory – basically it’s a progressive way to “DO IT!” beyond what you thought you could 'do it'. (and a way by and for adhd geniuses? Maybe! There is way too much information and too many topics and sub methods on the RMax site! ) hth

januson ;) I can already venture how these comments will be dismissed as unnecessary to application – but they do have some bearing on the original question so… here goes. Price moves to stay as closely aligned to the underlying valuation of an instrument as is possible. The underlying valuation ‘moves’ much more than price. This valuation is the collective’s valuation and can only be guessed at by individuals. This underlying / accompanying is the ‘general projective’ of valuation. Price is ‘objective particular’ of valuation. It attempts to stay not too far behind the underlying valuation – and the attempts sometimes overshoot… This underlying / accompanying ‘general projective’ of valuation is ignored or neglected by most, attacked by a few, sidestepped by some as being only ‘demand’, etc, etc. The ‘general projective’ is one of the unspeakable, irrational numbers in markets… but If that accompanying valuation didn’t exist then MP’s would have no reason to approximate value areas, etc.. Wave traders would have no underlying basis from which to build counts, etc. SR ‘participants’ (a la Wycoff and progeny,etc.) would have not the slightest motivation to attempt to step in and participate in or ‘protect’ support (or resistance). More manipulative SR participants would have no motivation to look for the heavier participants’ attempts at exploitation via pricing campaigns. People would never bother writing trading books, etc. Soros, Buffet, etc would have washed up... Without the underlying, valuation, 3+ sigma events would be ignored by all… Black swans would all stay beyond the horizon… The conscious or unconscious assumptions about this underlying collective valuation of traded instruments can be explored and partially uncovered about every single method of trading (including random entry) Generally speaking, the ‘heavier’ in size a trader gets, the more conscious s/he becomes of his own valuation projections. (and not necessarily via fundamentals btw). Small, ‘technical’ trading is in some ways an easy luxury…and how

Caveat – The links below are basically a detailed critique of P90X --- I found it provides in depth information (for ‘shoppers’) and certain perspectives on the efficacy of the program and programs like it that all might benefit from… hth begin to dig: Reflection/Critique of P90X review: Part 1 of 3 - muscle confusion confuses the issue begin to dig: P90X Critique Part 2 0f 3 - WIll you really "get ripped"? begin to dig: P90X Critique Part 3A, Alternatives: to P90X's Diet Plan (or any 12 week diet, really) begin to dig: P90X Review/Critque Part 3b: Workout Alternatives and Why to Consider Them - or "Life is Short & we're complex" fwiw - I remain with a net positive bias on P90X, but this bias is far overshadowed by my bias for CST (hardcore, with all three wings). With sounder foundational principles, CST is much healthier and safer in the long run, plus ultimately takes you a lot further in overall performance edge… All the best, zdo

GV is great but, in this particular case, you do not need to use it unless you are comparing the closes of different instruments. (If that, you could also use two data streams on same chart) In EL once you set a variable in holds until you change it or the instance of that workspace ends. So (in pseudo code) you could just do something like If t =1400 then // btw, usually to bracket with if (t[1] <= __ and t[0] and t[0] > __) cat = c[0]; Then from then on just use the var: cat as you need.

Brian, Yes many pairs are so highly correlated that if you sell one and buy the other it’s just a costly wash. … and ‘hedging’ a position in this manner instead of just stopping out is ultimately – in a word – costly! Trading the 'spreads' can be profitable but it requires developing expertise and there are so many other instruments beside fx that are better spread candidates. Btw, there is a ‘correlation trading’ niche – see Jason Fielder, etc for examples (definitely not an endorsement btw) Currency Correlation | OANDA FXTrade InfoCenter Forex Correlation - Mataf.net I also found a cool site on the internet called google the other day hth

Have you checked the reserved word Text_Delete(keyId) ? Setting the Text_setstring to "" / empty string ? Using Text_SetLocation() to move the text far out of sight if condition ? hth

Steenbarger has an archive of great articles. You can check on his site to see if they are still available. Brett Steenbarger Articles on Trading Psychology and Trading Techniques Here is an (almost random) selection of context type articles… Remapping the Mind: Cognitive Therapy for Traders Three pillars of expertise For Those Who Aspire to Greatness The New Psychology of Exceptional Achievement TradingAsMentalWarfare He also has published a few books. I have 2 or 3 of them, but have only skimmed Enhancing Trader Performance… so can’t speak to the books. I requested a review of his latest book The Daily Trading Coach: 101 L… here on TL and no one responded. My take – could mean it sucs, but more likely it’s something great that the pack doesn’t/can’t appreciate. Steenbarger has a distinct cerebral approach that many simply can’t stay with. Throughout his work, the common themes start with self directed (and guided) cognitive type psycho work, evolve to putting in the time / the 10000 hours rule…, on to the importance of ‘perfect’ practice (which is one of the reasons I go on occasional rants about the droves of posters with just months of experience directing noobies to sim when better alternatives are available… don’t get me started), on to implicit learning (contrasted with research and pattern recognition perspectives of development), on to zone trading, on to… He also wrote some article(s) about the ideal ‘environmental’ setups for beginners and the most beneficial attitudes and circuits they can take through stages of development, but can’t place the title(s). Also, a certain percentage of noobie traders would also benefit from studying Malcolm Gladwell’s Outliers book. hth

Folks, IbusCane is not replying much so He may be gone already… Literally! But just in case – this is somewhat aligned to the intrapersonal ‘partnerships’ required in trading at high levels, matching your own nature to your own style, … etc [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9g3Q-qvtss]YouTube - Itay Talgam: Lead like the great conductors[/ame] ...also, most noobies should forget Steenbarger's developmental maps - NOT!

Question of the …Sort of a poll: In addition to “normal” intervention through open market operations, the discount window, and lending money to banks and encouraging them to make the funds available to brokerage houses. (like in 10/87, etc) - what probabilities would you assign that the equity markets are now surrepticiously being actively and directly traded by ‘agents’ of the Fed /& Treasury ? Thx

Question of the … In addition to “normal” intervention through open market operations, the discount window, and lending money to banks and encouraging them to make the funds available to brokerage houses. (like in 10/87, etc) - what probabilities would you assign that the equity markets are now being actively and directly traded / manipulated by ‘agents’ of the Fed /& Treasury ?

"It is a painful thing to look at your own trouble and know that you yourself and no one else has made it." ~ Sophocles, BC 496-406, Greek dramatist

A related question - is ndx trading becoming a ping-pong match between institutions and high frequency traders? And when the institutions dial back for the day, so do the HFT’s? This emergent relationship - competitive at best, to symbiotic in the middle, parasitic at worst?

UB, we struggled with adaptivity via time of day for quite a while… surprised you find it useful… finally went back exclusively with MarketTyping algo’s that are good around the clock and applicable to any instrument… use it to move the weighting of systems around much more than to push parameters though...

UrmaBlume, well, DUH... zdo

Is ndx trading becoming, as Tyler Durden describes it, “a ping-pong match between high frequency traders”?

Maxcy, You may find that 'Fundamentals in FX' turns out to be an oxymoron a huge percentage of the time. Check out the book Currency Trading and Intermarket Analysis by Ashraf Laidi : Ashraf's Book: Currency Trading and Intermarket Analysis He does a lot with combining yields and 'risk apetite' , etc. I don't have much good to say for his 'real time', more 'technical' work on his site and articles, but the book is a great place to start developing a global fx perspective ... hth zdo

Building an array of setups is a good idea but using pattern recognition has not borne the fruit most of its visionaries thought it would. Since the 80’s a series of commercial pattern recognition programs have come and gone. Just saw a blurb about one in a tv commercial (eTrade ?) recently. The practical application of pattern recognition has several limitations. One is the tolerance / fuzziness of the underlying templates - which in the trading world needs to be variable , looser then tighter the looser, etc.... But how does one intelligently pull that variability off. Second, patterns in a vacuum may show slight statistical odds, but when applied real time aren't so shiny. Third patterns not run in a vacuum, ie those with a contextual layer above the actual pattern require, again, variable tolerance in both the granular pattern and the ‘background’ pattern. Fourth, …. What you’re thinking can be done. It’s a specialty, a niche… and if it's you, don't let anything discourage you... but bottom line, pattern recognition algos in general do not produce extraordinary results. hth

yep, I had a 'direct' line to the floor but they wouldn't answer - which is one thing that scared me off. Called my broker and got through... they advised staying out... and then they called back a few minutes later about the margin increases. Most don't realize how different calling orders in by phone was from mouse clicking them in... I didn't have direct numbers for most instruments and you could hold for a fill on mkt orders (or limits already in) but most transactions on any other types of orders took 3-4 total phone calls... a call to broker, broker called the floor, and they would call IB back freakin whenever with a fill,a nd they would then call you... anyway even a mkt order could take 30 secs to 2 minutes (or more) for a fill and the spooz could move 20 ticks easily during that time in those days... They didn't have tarp money , temp trading halts, or the PPT those days to stop a crash and the program trades had no extreme range filters, etc...

Ah memories (and not analogues btw) Had sort of the same 'how does it just keep going up and up' questions A fairly serious sell off started on Thursday afternoon, the week before, and lasted through Friday. Most thought it was pretty much over by late Friday. They fourcled the margin near the open on Monday, but being a beginner, I still had no idea what was in store ... This was pre internet. I had a live FutureSource satelite feed. Watched the whole thing in shock on 5 minute big SPooz contract. Didn't have the stones to trade it but did do extremely well buying the Dec 30 yr US 2 ticks above the 76.14 lows on Tues night... 9K per car overnight...

Jefferson, Excellent questions. Has anyone gotten the official line from CME about why they did this change? Are all CME instruments included? Thanks, zdo