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Precisely! "Find your own way!" zdo ...and then, when the 'student' is ready, the teachers will appear...really! ...'ready' comes out of the quality of questions and the directions in which they are directed. This whole thread is based on (hopefully pre-emptively) 'rescuing' 'victims' from exploitive vendors. But, no one needs rescued - actually, anything but the 'victim' rescuing himself is a waste of time!

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Avarice, I understand what you're saying but " Profitability of a trading system is defined by your ability to press winners and to run fast in the face of adversity" is not a generalization. "Profitability of a trading system is defined by your ability to press winners and to run fast in the face of adversity " is highly system specific, made to appear to be a ubiquitous generalization by not explicitly identifying what kind of system... it's not a safe robust generalization ... zdo

just a thought.. I haven't really 'tested' this observattion, but seems like over the years about half the time they are raising margins closer to the 'end' of volatility instead of at its 'beginning'...

Yep, trading on your feet is an ‘edge’. My workstation desks are at about 40 inches with the monitor shelf at the back elevated enough to put the monitor centers just below eye level. Had them custom made. Also, long ago, bought a (way over priced at the time) tall custom ergonomic drafting chair from an outfit in Sausalito CA that is adjustable in almost any dimension. I keep the chair back far enough so that I have to stand up to get to a mouse… puts me on my feet most of the time in my trading sessions. Working on your feet will trigger some holistic adjustments and may require developing some strange habits – rocking, posture awareness, dancing, mini pacing, stretching, standing yoga postures, taking a knee , collapsing into fetal position , etc - but it sure is conducive to flow and pays off big time I considered (and tested a little bit) adjacent exercise machines but for me it was too ‘mindless’ and ‘splitting’… I choose to go away from desk to do healthful first body work… So re "I think that desks and chairs are ancient technology" Me too ...but I do still have a regular height desk and chair sort of caddy corner across the room... All the best zdo

:rofl: I haven’t turned myself in to be chipped yet. So, some would label that alert going off inside you as paranoia. ‘Vendor’ is a developmental stage! Been there, done that. ‘Vendee’ is a developmental stage! Been there, done that – even more! I now ‘process’ with one (experienced) trader at a time, each for 3 – 18 months. No didn’t work with scg84. Have been on the phone with a couple members of TL and actually worked with one for a while ...it ended up being more on life than trading issues. He is a young and intense person who got at some clarity at his own truths and is no longer trading full time. Ironically, he had/has a great edge … go figure. Even though I do not charge for this work, there are untold costs and risks to the trader. There are also untold risks and costs associated with reading any of my forum posts :helloooo: …Haven’t experienced “giving us such a hard time” in here. Each vendor serves a relatively tiny niche. They cannot hurt you. If you get ripped off, you are ripping yourself off, not being exploited. I remain fairly neutral on ‘identifying’ them explicitly… have noted possible unintended consequences, etc. for doing it though. With threads like this you all may run all them dam vendors off – then see what happens on your forum… purity is also a tiny niche… much tinier than MMS would want I’m sure… :missy: adding me to the listing? Here you go - :haha: zdo / processing / priceless All the best...

REAL TIME FROM $50 / MO FAST MARKET DATA Some EW idiot named Navigator… I’m wishing it were some ‘smart’ guy like BHObama saying that… What will I have in the back of my mind when I read the transcript of the jobs speech coming up tonight? * >Will the plan lead to more government involvement in ‘employment’ or less? To make it easier, I might be asking “What would Ron Paul do?” MSNBC distorts post-debate poll results to falsely depict Ron Paul as just barely winning >Will oBama say/do anything to really get gov’t out of the way or show he’s out of bed with his biggest backers – the ‘banksters’?” (Actually they aren’t backers – they own him) … and speaking of being owned - oh boy, did he ever pull one over on the ‘workers’ on his Labor Day speech(es – transcript of 2011’s virtually indistinguishable from 2010’s, etc hm ???). From the 2011 Labor Day speech “The union movement is going to be at the center of it”… “it” being this most beautiful ‘rebuilding’ (watch out for the code words!). The great ‘middle class’ he emphasized so often in his labor day speech(es) is the real target of his control urges – one of the major big tangled lies. Like, the ‘workers’ in Russia were promised pensions. Early ‘workers’ got them. Later ones didn’t. Obama’s ‘workers’ / labor are promised pensions in exchange for votes. Maybe somebody should tell them – the pensions of their young and middle age workers have no chance of ever being paid out. They are allowing themselves to be used (…and he might have had some trouble reconciling the ‘worker’ bullshit his grandparents taught him with the path his owners have him on now - were he not a narcissist. Narcisists just mentally polarize to one extreme and everyone else be damned…) Control of what? It started with the domestic auto industry, where they placed the ‘leadership’ of the workers ie labor unions in charge – temporarily. Next targets include, most likely, the energy industry and forced ‘organizing’ of the construction industry… no new project, private or public, will henceforth go forward unless it’s union. “vote note to self - must make it up to them for not getting ‘card check’ through when I had the chance…” > Oh, remember those 'shovel ready' jobs from the 2008 stimulus biglie-speeches? Shouldn't some of those 'shovel ready' jobs really be ready to go now? Those 43,000 new bureaucrat (voters ) hired for 'the program' should have all the paperwork for those projects done now and they should be ready to roll... first ads to go out - union organizers. Tonight, will he announce more jobs we can 'believe in'? >Will he propose anything to substantially change the ‘competiveness’, on a global level, of US tax code – so that structurally it becomes feasible to have some domestic production increase again, instead of exporting more jobs than even exist? > Will he 'rollback' some of the limiting regulations? ... at least until after the election? >Will he propose more job training programs? You know, the bloated multiple layers of ‘programs’ that at best, are just a plain old waste of money; and at worst, entitlement indoctrination camps – paid for by taking some of your time, life, money… (Speaking of your life, time, and money… There Are More Slaves Today Than At Any Point In Human History I personally now include the taxpayers of the US as slaves… For one, try getting out of the ‘slavery. As I have now paid the price and can speak with some authority, “getting out” is more expensive now than ever in the history of this country… and there a no underground railroads for us…) ... Some of the code words I'll be watching for "reasonable people" "infrastructure bank" - code for more debt. Hello, once in deficit all further spending is deficit spending "revenue" = taxes "middle class" ...there's more, but I've gone blank...Thought this little rant was going to be a break from some very intense trading...sorry it rambles... All the best, zdo *I’m sorry people, but I can not stand to watch a narcissist work… so I will do something else with my time than and read the transcript later…

All vendors will be required to get 'chips' implanted in the neck :rofl: That way you'll be alerted any time one comes close...

With the demise of the EUR as a functioning currency increasing in probability on a daily basis, what do you see emerging to take its place? DM ‘coming back’ of course – it never left actually… see OP . But, with the coming currency wars, will it be in the same 'fiat' type form as now? The CHF won’t / can’t stay pegged to ‘DM’ and will be a thick player ( at least as long as there is a war industry left on the planet). But what about the other players? France, in particular? FF succumbs to being a thinly traded mkt like pre EUR? etc. Thoughts? Thanks.

btw, Tams, I was never talking innovations. I’m talking about functional, clean, reusable, quality code … DynamicFibsSR is actually just another tiny niche…one has to know (of course, how, but much more importantly) when to use it… useless to those not of that niche… just like some of the "enduring" uselessness -like “MACD, RSI, or Stochastic” etc

Just one? OK TRO_DynamicFibsSR

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If we can't "bash" a vendor, it doesn't really make sense that we can praise them either - so I'm probably out of line here under the new laws but ...the amount of 'curvefitting', etc. is miniscule compared to the base quantity of quality projects TRO initiated and followed up with multiple rounds of timely fixes, improvements and enhancements (from requests and unsolicited), integrations, etc .. :haha:I tell ya -It was frickn ADHD for a couple years there ... so - whether measured by quanity or by quality - the body of work he contributed freely is probably the largest and best on the planet That said...the sheer general uselessness of much of that code illustrates one of the points I was making over in the VVV thread - each vendor's market is actually only a tiny niche...ultimately no need to label / brand them at all

looking at the markets thru googles of supply and demand made all the difference to me too :rofl: ... same questions still... Is the "wick of the pivot bar" the basis of the APA Zones? Is the APA algorhtm disclosed? Have a great weekend all...

BocaCrazy re: "Please could I just ask one thing... where can I find an explanation of the purpose's and usage of all the indicators in the "Never Lose Again" file? " For history of all his stuff, check TradeStation forums – unless they censored/deleted his lodes, and kreslik.com - Traders Community :: Index, and the forum of his current platform, etc Having now been labeled as a vendor, this is a great chance for TRO to, as Optiontimer puts it, “answer their flippin' questions for cryin' out loud!” (I’m probably breaking some new unspoken rules here, but), in TRO’s case, you might be better off just sending him some money :rofl: See below… steveh2009, this has some carry over from my posts on the Vendors, Vendors, Vendors thread, but it is perfectly ok for a vendor to leave the burden of ‘statistics’ to the consumer! Plus - you, the consumer, sets the purchase price of his products and ideas … Plus - No! He is not promoting the sale of services… He loathes servicing people and teaches that we really must learn to service ourselves. I doubt you would be so quick to judge if you knew the sheer magnitude of high quality ‘re-usable’ code TRO has contributed to the trading community over the years. … probably more than anyone else on the planet!

MacD, re “But standing in the way of of labeling vendors…” Maybe ya’ll inferred I was standing in the way of labeling vendors, but I’m not. I even offered a suggestion for ways to do it. I basically don’t care whether they are ‘labeled’ or not. All my comments came when I noticed a large percentage of the posts indicating projections on and sure misunderstanding of vendors’ roles. It might have unintended consequences, but at first glance MMS has made wise choices :haha: on his way to Germany :crap: Optiontimer re: “If you have something to share, share it. If you want $$money$$ for the secret decoder ring that makes it work, say so up front in the very first post. Otherwise, if people have questions, answer their flippin' questions for cryin' out loud! " Amen brother!

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doubletop11, et al, Good points about SR being "relative", intermittently powerful, etc. Even though I use them all the time (under certain mkt conditions), in my mind they always seem like they have the 'strength' of a vapor trail in the sky... ??'s You mentioned the "wick of the pivot bar" for zone creation; which, at first glance, is not creating quite the same zones as those used by Seiden (Wycoff, dbPhoenix,). Basically, Seiden's appear to be roughly centered around horizontal 'congestions'. Is the "wick of the pivot bar" the basis of the APA Zones? Is the APA algorhtm disclosed? joshdance, re: "Whatever method one uses to "map" the market to identify value and trade location, whether it's an EMA, fib area, POC, VWAP, pivot, prior support, round number, or anything else--the difficulty in trading is essentially this--will the market reverse at this area, trade through the area, or rotate around the area?" Good post. ... was dealing with this same issue over in the http://www.traderslaboratory.com/forums/technical-analysis/10474-your-mean.html thread ... that question produced five pages of stuffing and 3 answers to the question ...even at TL Thx. zdo

re: "If I could pick any criteria on which to focus the attention of trading newcomer on it would be those with real records of trading success." I understand what you’re saying - but …I would not pick that criteria and would advise others against it ! The hitch - the 'priceless' / 'invaluable' info that the proven profitable trader might share is ultimately no more transferrable to student traders than drivel from the shysters... Over the years, I personally have learned more and have gotten more usable 'best info' from trading vendors who were actually highly developed in their areas of representing and reading the markets (but who had other weaknesses that kept them from putting it all together like a wizard) than I have from the 'real' wizards. I even daresay I learned as much from observing their foibles and learning what not to do as I have learned from the 3 famous wizards I’ve had sustained relationships with… believe it or not – that can be an incredible waste of time Basically my point is - the match btwn what a vendor is offering and nature and trading style of the consumer thoroughly dwarfs the weighting of the quality of the vendor re “…No one is talking about insta banning…” etc. ok...but the madness of crowds waits and waits then erupts

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Tradewinds, Have you looked at Michael R. Bryant's CPDensity ("Consolidation Pattern Density") EL code? I've never used it so not sure that it's applicable here - but maybe will help... :crap: I have some quality, open EL that extends TL's from (near) top and bottom of most recent 'congestion' - but I haven't been able to find it!!! Will keep looking... and will tell you if I've given up. Does anyone know how Seiden would handle absence of these zones in recent part of chart? zdo

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Do or Die, And thank you! It’s kind of incredible that I haven’t had more to say about your contributions. In my trading, everything is centered around what you are calling ‘regime analysis’, but alas, our ways of getting there are so disparate I have not been able to even come up with any good feedback. Still, your contributions are appreciated. All the best. zdo