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.....so.....universal healthcare and relaxed drug policies are the silver bullet to cure societies problems. now if switzerland will just get rid of those guns ...... out would pop the perfect society. don't worry MM you will soon have universal healthcare and next will be legalization of drugs so your bright future is just around the corner. the only hitch is i don't think you can pry those guns out of americans hands. maybe after they are dead. but some are so stubborn they just might hold on to them all the way to the grave. it is obvious you are a socialist. a liberal. a new world order. a leftist. a globalist...or an aspiring one...lets see if i can think of any other things that would make for a fair description...... um..lets see here. no guns and that will do away with dictators. so the fault of the kurds was their guns? lets blame the guns for them getting gassed. yep if they just wouldn't have had those guns ole saddam would have left them alone and they would have prospered as a society should prosper. now MM if a thief and murderer/drug addict were to show up at your house lets say around 1:00 one night and you awoke and confronted him in your house what would you do? a. shoot him with your water pistol b. beg him to be reasonable and discuss the terms of the robbery perhaps even drawing up a contract c. call the police just before he blows you away d. hide behind your wife e. tell him it is ok because it is legal to rob people nowdays f. offer to treat his drug problem g. smoke a joint with him h. before confronting him dig out grandpa's 357 that you hid away (but kept just in case) in the shoe box in the closet when you were attempting to convert to a no gun policy. me thinks you might opt for h. unless of course you are a real jackass (which you might be) MM i bet you have a gun in your house. DO YOU? Fess up now. DO you? :missy:

others don't eh George

captain Bob where is Mitsubishi? I'm angling for another good knockout fight since the milk sops on the gun control thread are getting me stirred up. mit is being way too quiet.

have you ever lived in Mexico? You don't even know what you are talking about. It is liberal ,socialist people like you that have the agenda and twist data to fit your agenda. I lived in Mexico for 12 years. Boots on the ground. One thing you are right on. Organized crime will always have guns. So will any other crime. Another thing you are right on. adding guns to the drug issues = more gun deaths. That is correct the bastards that run the cartel will then FEAR the poulation. They will die. As it is now the population FEARS them because they have no recourse against them and the police are outgunned. The mexican population is terrified. Entire groups of police resign for fear. Now the drug problem is an issue of supply and demand. Much like stocks and futures. Just to the north of Mexico lies the USA. We are the demand. Mexico..Central America..South America are the supply. Mexico's problem is OUR problem. We can't get a handle on the demand issue. We are the reason the drugs flow through Mexico. We are more at fault than Mexico for this drug problem but are we are too damn arrogant to admit it. I have lived in several countries. Mexicans are the proudest race of people I have come across. They ooze with pride. Americans are the most arrogant people I have come across. We think we know what is best for the world. We meddle in other countries internal affairs. We fight wars we should not be fighting. Then we wonder why they hate us. We sell the cartels guns (fast and furious) so they say in the news. We, yes we, create our own monsters then blame others. PS I am American. Born in the USA. But we have to stop trying to be the policeman of the world. It isn't our job nor duty. We need to tend to our own business. Clean our own crime up and it won't be by sweet talking the monsters that do these killings in malls..etc. We must put fear into these monsters. Even in WW2 with the nuclear bomb Japan with all its suicide bombers surrendered. Fear drove them to do this. what you are suggesting is ivory tower BS that doesn't work in the real world...never has and never will.

The DC handgun ban didn't work. The Britain handgun ban didnt work. The Chicago handgun ban didn't work. But the town that required all citizens to have a gun (see earlier post)...well it worked. Gun Control - Just Facts

For informational purposes. Here is what really happens when citizens carry "heat" and when they don't. real life stuff. not armchair ivory tower concepts. 25 years murder-free in ‘Gun Town USA’

You can’t have a new world order and a totalitarian system when people have guns. In ALL socialistic/communistic/dictatorships, the FIRST thing they did was issue gun control, then a total gun ban. A LITTLE GUN HISTORY In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note before it’s too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’. SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND’S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! IT’S A NO BRAINER! DON’T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET. You’re not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people Source: Comment on article Dueling Data on Gun Crimes put New Laws in Crossfire. Washington Times

maybe we should regulate vehicules. they are the cause of many accidental deaths you know.

wrong please read my previous link. so you are saying the workable solution is to take guns away? ok explain mexico. they dont let their people have guns. only the bad guys and gov get them apart from a few citizens. i just had a friend got back from there this month and he said it is like a war zone. and they have gun regulation down there. you go to prision if you have a gun. gun regulation doesn't work. got any other ideas? try not to get emotional :helloooo:

would you mind posting a intraday chart showing what you just described?

besides who gives a sh?t about gandhi. i was just saying what the man said with his own mouth. how you interpret that well that is up to you..i just know what he said....

i may have to get on my moto and leave all you milk sops here sucking your thumbs.

more guns = less violence because us good bastards will hold the bad bastards at bay. and if we get shot as we are doing it we will fall forward shooting the bastards as we go down.

you borderline being an idiot. no freaking idea of the real world.

most everybody on this thread is showing little intelligence so i might as well join the crowd. most here know nothing of the real world and live in these theoretical ivory chair idealistic concepts. ok suntrader or tams what would you do? a. run like hell b. lay down your gun and try to reason with the bastard c. shoot the idiot d something else hint...you cannot reason with people like this so b. above probally wont work. you and ignot or whatever his name is would be dead meat before you could whistle ¨sweet dixie. dont think that gun laws would keep the bastard from getting a gun.

[/b] BS. and more BS. He plainly said the whole nation. Or maybe he was a big hypocrite and a liar and if so then his religion was in vain and he certainly wouldnt be a model to look up to..

evil can´t be educated away. it can at best be halted or stopped temporarily. taking guns away will allow it free rein. evil is not in the gun. it is in the heart of man. take away the guns and evil will find another way. for evil to reign all it takes is for good men to do nothing in the face of evil. if you were in a school with a concealed weapon on you and a murderer came in shooting would you a. run like hell b. lay down your gun and try to talk the thug out of doing what he is doing? c. return fire and attempt to neutralize the threat? I know what i would do. and dont say if we has gun regulation he wouldnt be armed. That is wishful thinking. Mexico s has very strict gun regulation but the Bad guys are better armed than the cops and the gen pop lives in terror ...they aren´t armed or very few are.

oh sh??t. Marge Meade. Please dont bring her into this discussion. bf skinner might be better than her.

now captain Bob much more money can be made at trading the intraday and interday trends that longterm. please see 1st chap of hursts book ...magic of stock market...... for detailed explanation of why. however, it doesn´t hurt to trade both. throw brooks books in garbage and buy his online course. much much better explanation of his methodolgy and it is a viable system for intraday trading. you can find it at his website.

"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online

California gun sales jump; gun injuries, deaths fall - Data Center - The Sacramento Bee

i too am over 50. i too believe in smaller almost nonexistent gov. as far as spanking well i figured that one right...as least partially. who said anything about the gov adding hundreds of thousands of armed personnel to the ranks? i am talking about the citizens carrying their arms. one thing bad guys understand is a gun and bullets. and if perchance they don't and do not restrain themselves from their evil plans and intentions...well ...it doesn't matter... the gun will stop them anyway. but where there is no gun they can't be stopped until awful things happen. as far as being an immigrant goes ...well then your parents were probally conservative and perhaps you did receive a few corrections with the rod but obviousley rejected that later in life or you have perfect kids???? you probally don't believe in capitol punishment either. am i right? you probally think we can negociate or talk to these nuts that mow down people?? force has to be met with force...generally. there are exceptions. we could just take the guns from police officers and let them jaw at the murders and criminals and see if they can sweet talk them into not commiting their crimes. gun regulation won't keep these kinds of people from committing their crimes. it will leave society with less defence against them.

LOL now that is funny and good. i too have wondered where they came up with the C

LOL.... you making my life leisurely? :rofl: you leftist socialistic liberal. you probally don't believe in spanking kids either do you? you probally were never spanked when a child?..eh